Globalists

[Gunny]

Not sure we have that.

Anyone besides me remember Ron Popeil (sp)? The inventor of just about every useless gadget/gimmick in existence in the 1970s. My favorite was the "Pocket Fisherman". What a useless piece of crap. You couldn't catch goldfish from a bowl with that thing I digress.

He was rich because there were people that bought all his crap right of channel 6 in Miami.

"Globalists" just sell their crap to a larger audience full of marks.

The way to stop them from being here is our government, representing the People. Not itself, nor its interest in adding more layers to the bureaucracy we already have.

[fj1200]

This thread is really interesting.

In this corner .... we have a conspiracy around every corner.

And in the blue corner, we have "there's no slippery slope" and if you don't have concrete evidence it never happened and isn't going to.

Addressing the latter first, the first time I heard the "there's no slippery slope" theory was when the left was conning society into accepting fags and not beating them up. Seems to me we've taken a long, deep dive down that nonexistent slope. We now have child mutilation, brainwashing, Peds have Rights, and loser males competing in Women's sports. This is "a", not "the" example. There are more than a few (hundred). Lest we not forget, blacks established this Nation and if the 1619 Project isn't lies compounded upon lies to create an alternate, fantasy reality to suit an agenda, I don't know what is.

As to the former ... the boy who kept crying wolf got eaten by the wolf because people stopped listening and/or reacting.

I also STILL can't understand why whatever "globalists" are trying to do is more important an issue than what our own damned government is doing right here, in our country, to us. Addressing individual symptoms does not cure the disease. If We, the People were in control of our government as we are supposed to be, the issue of what these global bureaucrats creating crises so they can sell us the cure is moot.

A government of the people does business with anyone only if the People let it. Maybe we should be more worried about getting our own house in order rather than trying to control things beyond our reach.

We do it to ourselves. Nevertheless there are busybody big government people out there at all levels that say a lot of things the problem being when the outlandish claims start and the tying together of all the crazy.

Not sure we have that.

Of course we do. Just not enough people to consistently vote the conservative end of the spectrum and not enough elected officials to actually govern from the conservative end of the spectrum. There are "conservatives" in this country who are not conservative. Don't mean to shock you.

[revelarts]

This thread is really interesting.

In this corner .... we have a conspiracy around every corner.

And in the blue corner, we have "there's no slippery slope" and if you don't have concrete evidence it never happened and isn't going to.

Addressing the latter first, the first time I heard the "there's no slippery slope" theory was when the left was conning society into accepting fags and not beating them up. Seems to me we've taken a long, deep dive down that nonexistent slope. We now have child mutilation, brainwashing, Peds have Rights, and loser males competing in Women's sports. This is "a", not "the" example. There are more than a few (hundred). Lest we not forget, blacks established this Nation and if the 1619 Project isn't lies compounded upon lies to create an alternate, fantasy reality to suit an agenda, I don't know what is.

...oookkk...
I'm on board with most of that

As to the former ... the boy who kept crying wolf got eaten by the wolf because people stopped listening and/or reacting.

Um Gunny, In the story the boy was outright lying.
I'm not lying. people are just ignoring... or claiming blindness.
Please note. I'm not saying the Wolf is complete control i'm just saying LOOK there IS a wolf.. a in fact a pack.


Here's a bit of alteration to the story to make it more the way i see it.
AND what you've suggested.

1st everyone is supposed to be watching out for wolves.
But Many don't even want to BELIEVES there are many wolves in the area. BUT if there are, "they are just keeping the deer population down" so don't worry.
Couple of Boys see wolves dressed as sheep and scream but no one wants to even look and say... "that's crazy talk".
Finally after years of wolves dressed as sheep coming and going and taking out a few sheep, perfecting their routes in and out of the herds and changing the way people handle sheep.
a few more people notice "HEY there ARE a few wolves dressed as sheep out here. But they haven't DONE anything. SO, Until they start really ACTING like wolves no one should worry. There are still mostly sheep out there. AND as long as we add MORE sheep and then we don't have to worry or even really check if there are wolves dressed as sheep."
The Boys slap their heads in frustration, but still try to point out the problem, while being laughed at and ignored.
And few more folks are seeing the wolves as well, but they don't want to say anything because they don't want to be lumped into the group with the "crazy Boys".

I also STILL can't understand why whatever "globalists" are trying to do is more important an issue than what our own damned government is doing right here, in our country, to us. Addressing individual symptoms does not cure the disease. If We, the People were in control of our government as we are supposed to be, the issue of what these global bureaucrats creating crises so they can sell us the cure is moot.

A government of the people does business with anyone only if the People let it. Maybe we should be more worried about getting our own house in order rather than trying to control things beyond our reach.

Gunny here's the thing,
they are IN our gov't, have been for years. we've been voting them in HERE, not over seas far far away.

"The developing coherence of Asian regional thinking is reflected in a disposition to consider problems and loyalties in regional terms, and to evolve regional approaches to development needs and to the evolution of a New World Order."
Richard M. Nixon

"NAFTA is a major stepping stone to the New World Order."
Henry A. Kissinger

"The Technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more CONTROLLED society. Such a society would be dominated by ELITE, unrestrained by traditional values."
Zbigniew Brzezinski

"A new partnership of nations has begun, and we stand today at a unique and extraordinary moment. The crisis in the Persian Gulf, as grave as it is, also offers a rare opportunity to move toward an historic period of cooperation. Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective -- a new world order -- can emerge: A new era -- freer from the threat of terror, stronger in the pursuit of justice and more secure in the quest for peace. An era in which the nations of the world, east and west, north and south, can prosper and live in harmony..."
President Bush I

U.S. Corporate heads and the media adding their vast influence.
"Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
David Rockefeller

It's been here.
being honest about what it is and who they are has been the missing piece.
until recently most people have assumed it's JUST Ds or Rs or Communist or Conservatives or Populist.
While the globalist have been quietly doing SOME work (not EVERYTHING) with some folks (not EVERYONE) that supposedly represent Ds, Rs, so-called communist and so-called conservatives/patriots.
And sometimes some proposals of from folks in those groups happen to align with globalist views. so they BACK IT.


But it's good that we're at point we're not in as much denial as before.

[revelarts]

Just for fun, here's another quote

Walter Cronkite
acceptance speech for the world governance award.
With a congrats and 'atta boys' from then 1st lady Hilary Clinton

"It seems to many of us that if we are to avoid the eventual catastrophic world conflict we must strengthen the United Nations as a first step toward a world government patterned after our own government with a legislature, executive and judiciary, and police to enforce its international laws and keep the peace.

To do that, of course, we Americans will have to yield up some of our sovereignty. That would be a bitter pill. It would take a lot of courage, a lot of faith in the new order.
But the American colonies did it once and brought forth one of the most nearly perfect unions the world has ever seen. The circumstances were vastly different, obviously. While the colonies differed on many questions, at least the people of the colonies were of the same Anglo-Saxon stock. Yet just because the task appears forbiddingly hard, we should not shirk it.
We cannot defer this responsibility to posterity. Time will not wait. Democracy, civilization itself, is at stake. Within the next few years we must change the basic structure of our global community from the present anarchic system of war and ever more destructive weaponry to a new system governed by a democratic UN federation.

I suppose I'm preaching to the choir here. So let's not talk generalities but focus tonight on a few specifics of what the leadership of the World Federalist Movement believe must be done now to advance the rule of world law....
Today we must develop federal structures on a global level. We need a system of enforceable world law-- a democratic federal world government--to deal with world problems....
Today the notion of unlimited national sovereignty means international anarchy. We must replace the anarchic law of force with a civilized force of law....

[fj1200]

Richard M. Nixon - Dead

Henry A. Kissinger - Surprisingly not dead. But he's 99.

Zbigniew Brzezinski - Dead

President Bush I - Dead

David Rockefeller - Dead

Walter Cronkite - Also Dead

[revelarts]

Richard M. Nixon - Dead
Henry A. Kissinger - Surprisingly not dead. But he's 99.
Zbigniew Brzezinski - Dead
President Bush I - Dead
David Rockefeller - Dead
Walter Cronkite - Also Dead

[fj1200]

So much effort spent on things dead, or almost dead, people said. Quotes possibly taken out of context.

Here's the entirety of the Kissinger piece for example.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...-67d260daadb6/

Nixon. From 1967 I think.

https://qoshe.com/foreign-affairs/ri...-nam/142215756

[revelarts]

So much effort spent on things dead, or almost dead, people said. Quotes possibly taken out of context.

Here's the entirety of the Kissinger piece for example.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...-67d260daadb6/

Nixon. From 1967 I think.

https://qoshe.com/foreign-affairs/ri...-nam/142215756

Thanks,
I think these help make the case.
Kissinger and Nixon pushing towards globalism.
In the way mentioned earlier, piece by piece "regionalism" ..to finally a global "word order".

[fj1200]

Thanks,
I think these help make the case.
Kissinger and Nixon pushing towards globalism.
I the way mentioned earlier, piece by piece "regionalism" ..to finally a global "word order".

No. Kissinger. Globalism. Free trade. Not "globalist." Popular governments and market economies contrasted against the state-run horror of Cuba then and Venezuela now.

In this light, developments in the Western Hemisphere become crucial to global order. Here, a group of democratic nations has pledged itself to the Enterprise for the Americas initiative based on popular governments and market economies. The sole dictatorship remaining in the Western Hemisphere is Cuba; state-run enterprises are being privatized; nationalistic, protectionist methods of economic management are being replaced by export-oriented economies hospitable to foreign investment and supportive of open international trading systems. The revolution sweeping the Western Hemisphere can point the way to an international order based on cooperation.

No. Nixon. A pre-campaign ('67 I think but doesn't matter really) policy speech that is decidedly anti-China and pro-western friendly Asian states.

Along with the rising complex of national, subregional and regional identification and pride, there is also an acute sense of common danger—a factor which serves as catalyst to the others. The common danger from Communist China is now in the process of shifting the Asian governments' center of concern. During the colonial and immediately post-colonial eras, Asians stood opposed primarily to the West, which represented the intruding alien power. But now the West has abandoned its colonial role, and it no longer threatens the independence of the Asian nations. Red China, however, does, and its threat is clear, present and repeatedly and insistently expressed. The message has not been lost on Asia's leaders. They recognize that the West, and particularly the United States, now represents not an oppressor but a protector. And they recognize their need for protection.

The overall point being is that cherry-picked quotes out of larger contexts do not a simplistic anti-globalist position make. I'm pretty sure someone just googled "new world order" and whereever anyone said it... "Aack, globalist."

[revelarts]

No. Kissinger. Globalism. Free trade. Not "globalist." Popular governments and market economies contrasted against the state-run horror of Cuba then and Venezuela now.
No. Nixon. A pre-campaign ('67 I think but doesn't matter really) policy speech that is decidedly anti-China and pro-western friendly Asian states.
The overall point being is that cherry-picked quotes out of larger contexts do not a simplistic anti-globalist position make. I'm pretty sure someone just googled "new world order" and whereever anyone said it... "Aack, globalist."

I'm pretty sure that If people read the whole things for themselves, that many can see what's being said fairly clearly.
not cherry-picked, just highlight.
Especially in the larger context of the reality of globalist stated agenda and methods.

but, of course, some won't see anything.
And anytime they see quotes that say "new world order" or "global governance", or "international agreements" or "regionalism as a 1st step", "build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world" or "new system governed by a democratic UN federation" or "Yes, there will be a New World Order, and it will force the United States to change it's perceptions." or "The world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government." or "When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government"...

they see those quotes and say stuff like "oh, ,in context, that simply means they're 'Free Traders'!".

[fj1200]

I'm pretty sure that If people read the whole things for themselves, that many can see what's being said fairly clearly.
not cherry-picked, just highlight.
Especially in the larger context of the reality of globalist stated agenda and methods.

but, of course, some won't anything.
And anytime they see quotes that say "new world order" or "global governance", or "international agreements" or "regionalism as a 1st step", "build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world" or "new system governed by a democratic UN federation" or "Yes, there will be a New World Order, and it will force the United States to change it's perceptions." or "The world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government." or "When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government"...

they see quotes they say "oh, ,in context, that simply means they're 'Free Traders'!".

And if they did they might come to their own conclusion. But that's not the bread and butter of what is presented by you and the countless links over and over. It is a sentence here, a quote there, countlessly repeated as the only possible conclusion based on your preconceived outcome. You've decided that you get to assign motives to some people that are in no way possible.

Frankly 99.5% of people putting information out on youtube and various links are not really deep thinkers that they so want to be. They're parrots. It goes along with my general outlook that 99.5% of "creatives" trying to eek out a following on youtube and social media are not really creative, they are parrots that echo something an actual creative person came up with.

[Evmetro]

I haven't been around the site much over the last year or so, but I had it in my mind that the community was dominated by rino type "conservatives", vs the freedom loving patriot conservatives, which also means that I made an indirect connection between these rino types and soldiers of globalism. After reading this thread, I see that I was off, at least for the ones on this thread who are "awake", regarding globalism and the WEF. Understanding the bigger picture of globalism, including its history and current reach, is one of the things for me that differentiates the rino variety of conservatives from freedom loving patriots. It is like a special lens that I see the rest of politics through, a lens that shows me the implications of a lot of day to day politics.

[fj1200]

^You should get your prescription checked.

[Evmetro]

^You should get your prescription checked.

Thank you for your valuable contribution. If it were not for lefties, we would not have any use for political discussion sites.

In the earlier part of my life, I saw the world through a lefty lens like yours, so I understand what you see. I was a full blown lefty who loved the sound of my evening news fading out of Aaron Copland music on NPR's All Things Considered, I hung out in Yoga communes, and drove a Subaru with a bike rack. I totally understand how lefties perceive righties, since I was born a lefty, screaming for that tit or bottle for my survival.

I've learned to love lefties. My dogs and kitties are all little lefties who don't love me, but I still love them. Lefties on political boards are a great asset to the community, even if they are wrong about everything, lie, cheat, and vote wrong. Thanks for being a lefty, thanks for giving me a reason to vote!

[fj1200]

Thank you for your valuable contribution.

You're not particularly smart. First, you haven't really contributed anything here. Second, you have no clue who the lefties are around here. I was going to say that we have no lefties around here but in reality the lefties don't really know who they are. I've come to learn something; in the years of 2015 and earlier I would have guessed that most here were small government, constitutional conservatives. 2016 and later I know that is just not true. There are plenty on the "right" that truly have a desire for more government action; they just prefer that the government action is one that they control and works for their benefit. They would describe themselves along the lines of freedom loving patriots but unfortunately "freedom loving" turns out to be an oxymoron when used alongside conservative.