Globalists

[fj1200]

One cannot see that which they have already made up in their mind, does not exist. To see , one must invistigate with an open mind.
Investigate to find truth-- not to try to ignore to support ones already made uo decision on the subject.
Sure, you are intelligent , but being willfully blind so greatly hampers that and its fruitful harvests, imho.-Tyr

So what you're saying is these...

What does the evidence say?

But I await submittal of further evidence.

are evidence that I've already made up my mind. That's one way to look at it I guess.

[AHZ]

As laid out in my previous musings;

"I see societies advance that choose the environments that allow advancement... So based on the evidence presented I've determined that they are do-nothing technocrats who have largely zero impact on a free world. The other option is that they're not what I think they are at all and are in fact doing a great job (which I don't believe). As I've mentioned before I don't really see the logical outcome of granting freedoms, economic liberties, etc. for those that choose and then all of a sudden taking it all away. There is no logic to it.

...

My issue is that either these insitutions are so inept that they've failed, for close to 80 years now, to impose their governmental control on the world to the detriment of countries who choose liberalized economies; or that they've been controlling things so much that those countries that have liberalized their economies will have all their economic gains wiped out when the powers that be impose massive controls. The latter making no logical sense."

I'm going with incompetent technocrats... if there are any out there that identify as globalists.

But I await submittal of further evidence.

the logic is "make people think you value freedom, gain authority, then go totalitarian".

it's called deception, 'sperg.

[fj1200]

the logic is "make people think you value freedom, gain authority, then go totalitarian".

it's called deception, 'sperg.

Again, no logic and no evidence. You keep making the same faulty predictions that others have for decades.

[AHZ]

Again, no logic and no evidence. You keep making the same faulty predictions that others have for decades.

I just explained to you what deception is.

you were saying you didn't understand.



the country has massive jobs loss and loss of production capacity due to globalization fanaticism.

do you even approve of reciprocal tariffs?

probably not, you hate america and freedom.

Now sit down and take your medicine.

[revelarts]

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[Gunny]

@AHZ

So, in your estimation, is there a difference between "globalists" who believe in a One World Order and people who believe in global free trade?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

tech·no·crat
/ˈteknəˌkrat/

an exponent or advocate of technocracy.
a member of a technically skilled elite.

hmmmm, a fairly broad definition.
One that gives a great amount of leeway when using to describe a group and/or its supposed political positions/ambitions.
In fact, gives no hint at it being a group , just describes it as an individual.
As such, I see it as no basis for a counter to or refutation of the term-- "globalist"-- or the globalists, one world order/, one world government agenda.


To me seems like when discussing apples and oranges, somebody cites , mangoes or else coconuts!
And then walks away.. , n'est-ce pas?

Nothing imaginary about this below...---

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[fj1200]

tech·no·crat
/ˈteknəˌkrat/

an exponent or advocate of technocracy.
a member of a technically skilled elite.

hmmmm, a fairly broad definition.
One that gives a great amount of leeway when using to describe a group and/or its supposed political positions/ambitions.
In fact, gives no hint at it being a group , just describes it as an individual.
As such, I see it as no basis for a counter to or refutation of the term-- "globalist"-- or the globalists, one world order/, one world government agenda.


To me seems like when discussing apples and oranges, somebody cites , mangoes or else coconuts!
And then walks away.. , n'est-ce pas?

Nothing imaginary about this below...---

I don't think there was a claim made that globalists were imaginary; I've seen countless threads and references to actual people. My opening question was evil geniuses or incompetent technocrats (both plural)? Further I think incompetent technocrats is redundant especially as the technocrat usage was pejorative. Can you find references to whomever one wants to describe as a "globalist" and links to many egghead conferences and working papers? Without a doubt. My question gets to what the evidence says about their impact on the globe, so to speak. If I were a globalist I wouldn't publish a working paper.

[BoogyMan]

There should be a third choice. Divisive and ignorant children who cannot understand there are more ways of looking at a problem than one that is fed to them from the hive mind of central government.

Evil geniuses or incompetent technocrats? What does the evidence say?

[Evmetro]

Evil geniuses or incompetent technocrats? What does the evidence say?

I recently read Alex Jones "The Great Reset". I've never really been much of an Alex Jones fan, but his book really was an eye opener. He did a great job of explaining the history of globalist and technocrats, and he explained how Carter, Bush, and a whole bunch of other globalists are connected via the trilateral commission. He discussed current globalist and their goals, he discussed covid and globalism, and he discussed how globalist want to use technology. Alex is much better educated and well spoken than I had previously understood.

[fj1200]

I recently read Alex Jones "The Great Reset". I've never really been much of an Alex Jones fan, but his book really was an eye opener. He did a great job of explaining the history of globalist and technocrats, and he explained how Carter, Bush, and a whole bunch of other globalists are connected via the trilateral commission. He discussed current globalist and their goals, he discussed covid and globalism, and he discussed how globalist want to use technology. Alex is much better educated and well spoken than I had previously understood.

I'm sure it was a wonderful book with many dubious connections.

[revelarts]

I'm sure it was a wonderful book with many dubious connections.

"i'm sure"
Says the guy who didn't read any of it.

[revelarts]

Hey, you've found quotes so apparently someone has an agenda.

revelarts free translation
I see the evidence so i can't outright deny it so I'll say "apparently" to still make it seems questionable.
and I'll not be specific by making reference the specific people making those horrifying quotes I'll say "someone", so it all seems somewhat random and vague.

I call them incompetent eggheads.

revelarts free Translation:
I see they are prominent, influential, well educated and include heads of state and leading business people past & present,
so I'll lump them all together and give them a funny name in an attempt to minimize the collective impact of the facts.
And I'll call them incompetent even though I probably couldn't get a job working next to any of them. And deny the fact that it's blindingly obvious they've have gotten a lot done over the years, personally, professionally and politically.

And I don't dismiss anything because, you know, quotes, but I do minimize because, you know, incompetent... and the lack of evidence.

revelarts free Translation::
Next I'll pretend not to be doing what i'm doing.
Then double down on the name calling and assertions of incompetence.
And then claim "I SEE NOTHING" just like Sargent Shultz from Hogan's Heroes.

But honestly, that last sentence isn't anything I really recognize as remotely possible. Free trade; good. You will own nothing; bad. My argument is just because someone is on board with the former doesn't mean that they are on board with the latter. Have you found a picture of a quote from Madam Truss espousing her agreement with the WEF in re: owning nothing?

revelarts free Translation:
And Finally i'll pretend to address his damning question.
1st I'll make MY distinction of Free trade and "you'll own nothing" clear.
and then simply not address the contradiction of the globalist use of the 2 ideas.
and I'll act like that when the UK official (who is member of the globalist WEF) promotes the "free trade" idea FROM the globalist WEF, she doesn't mean the same as the "you'll own nothing" Agenda 2030/Great Reset "free trade" FROM the the globalist WEF.
And then I'll shift the burden back to him and require that he show me the head of the UK publicly stating "you'll own nothing and be happy".
And pretend that until that happens, then it's not even CLOSE to ever happening or even meant to go in that direction.

[fj1200]

"i'm sure"
Says the guy who didn't read any of it.

I thought that was implicit in my comment. But what new information was presented in the book that hasn't been presented anywhere else here?

revelarts free translation

Your translations are generally wrong. If you have a specific, legible, question or comment I'll do my best to respond.

[Evmetro]

I'm sure it was a wonderful book with many dubious connections.

No need to read the book, just wait for CNN to give you an honest and objective review.of what's in it.