Globalists

[fj1200]

True. Except you can't stop there.

Where does the bad border policy lead? What is its goal? What is the goal of breaking down law and order? The goal of making us economically unstable?

Could lead to whatever "globalization" and its many definitions is. My money's on attempted cultural revolution HERE. If using the globalization as a weapon to that end, then I see it as bad for the US.

But let's get some clarity/real here: when you use the term "globalization" on this board, it triggers those that think their is some global conspiracy toward one World order. I will point out that one of Biden's WH spokesmen did use the term "liberal World order"; which, I consider leads only to fascism in the US.

I would offer that if we focus on HERE, and worry about HERE, and fix things HERE, the US is in a much better position to tell any "World Order" to FOAD.

Right. Globalists and globalization are two different things. At least in my book.

And yes, why do seemingly smart people do and support exceedingly dumb things. To just scream "globalists" as though the end of an argument avoids dealing with issues directly.

[revelarts]

You see conspiracy, I see incompetence. Free trade and the spread of capitalism has raised far more out of poverty than any government program come up with by some globalist think tank could ever have hoped.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rainerz...h=7d415e793dc1

If those seats of power lead to free trade and globalization then good on them. They may have stumbled into something. But you blame them for the lack of personal freedom in countries that care not a whit about their own populace. I'll repeat that there is no logic in the argument of globalists as evil who allow peole to be built up and then torn down at some point. You keep wrapping up the entirety of the argument under the "globalist" umbrella when I still just see a list of things. Some good, some bad, some innocuous, etc.

Also, I'm not sure how you get population control and pharmaceuticals in the same sentence.

wha?
I'm not sure why you don't see the "conspiracy" when the they SAY it outright.
And do the things to try and make it happen.

your initial framing was better, where you say ---they aren't doing a great job of it---.
OK, that's debatable to a degree.
but to say it's not happening and it's all really just them bumbling into free trade and the benign spread of capitalism, sorry that's BS.

And Yes I blame them for overthrowing and pressuring democratically elected gov'ts and replacing them with leaders that give even less of a damn about them.
the history of south America, that the Rockafellars & Kissinger had no small part in, is a testament to NWO policies that really don't care about the people. Right wing Dictators, & IMF debts, with those countries the major resources controled by western corporations ...and not the locals... is what they wanted. "The school of the americas" trained death squads for some the "leaders" the US/western/Globalist supported.

Is everything under the control of globalist of course not, but many of the major moves & players in the world have been drawn along in a direction they preferred.

& I don't think are they some monolith. Seems like they're not. I get the impression that they fight among themselves over the best methods and how fast and what portion of the pie they want to control etc.

And they aren't all powerful or all knowing, but our collective ignorance and infighting over Red & Blue, Black & White, Christian, Muslim keeps us from really effectively dealing with the problem they really are.


But hey I'm glad youre against one world gov't
but I'm not sure you can promote all of the world gov't parts and still be against the world gov't.

kinda sounds like
Well I'm against baseball, but I like the nice mowed field, the hot dogs, the organ music, the seats in the stands are comfy too, And the fresh air, love the fresh air.
I think that's the only thing they REALLY were going to get when they planned to build the baseball stadium. Since they are so incompetent. it's not even a finished after all theses years! there's not even a parking lot!
And Just because there are a few players on the field "warming up" doesn't mean they are going to PLAY a game or anything. relax. enjoy the benefits.

[SassyLady]

Love your metaphor Rev.

[fj1200]

wha?
I'm not sure why you don't see the "conspiracy" when the they SAY it outright.
And do the things to try and make it happen.

your initial framing was better, where you say ---they aren't doing a great job of it---.
OK, that's debatable to a degree.
but to say it's not happening and it's all really just them bumbling into free trade and the benign spread of capitalism, sorry that's BS.

And Yes I blame them for overthrowing and pressuring democratically elected gov'ts and replacing them with leaders that give even less of a damn about them.
the history of south America, that the Rockafellars & Kissinger had no small part in, is a testament to NWO policies that really don't care about the people. Right wing Dictators, & IMF debts, with those countries the major resources controled by western corporations ...and not the locals... is what they wanted. "The school of the americas" trained death squads for some the "leaders" the US/western/Globalist supported.

Is everything under the control of globalist of course not, but many of the major moves & players in the world have been drawn along in a direction they preferred.

& I don't think are they some monolith. Seems like they're not. I get the impression that they fight among themselves over the best methods and how fast and what portion of the pie they want to control etc.

And they aren't all powerful or all knowing, but our collective ignorance and infighting over Red & Blue, Black & White, Christian, Muslim keeps us from really effectively dealing with the problem they really are.


But hey I'm glad youre against one world gov't
but I'm not sure you can promote all of the world gov't parts and still be against the world gov't.

kinda sounds like
Well I'm against baseball, but I like the nice mowed field, the hot dogs, the organ music, the seats in the stands are comfy too, And the fresh air, love the fresh air.
I think that's the only thing they REALLY were going to get when they planned to build the baseball stadium. Since they are so incompetent. it's not even a finished after all theses years! there's not even a parking lot!
And Just because there are a few players on the field "warming up" doesn't mean they are going to PLAY a game or anything. relax. enjoy the benefits.

The major points out of order.

C. That's a ridiculous metaphor. It makes no sense.
A. Technically that's not a conspiracy. They said it out loud. Pretty much makes them eggheads who desire to be incompetent technocrats.
B. Where did I promote all of the world government parts?

[fj1200]

kinda sounds like
Well I'm against baseball...

I think your analogies have been a little off lately, I'll try and tighten it up. I don't like baseball but a bunch of people have been talking about cricket being a pretty cool sport. And you say, "stop killing people in South America."

[revelarts]

BTW, can we add to the globalist wish list of things which ARE moving in their desired direction, a cashless economy?

In China of course it's nearly full blown with the final phase in place, the social credit system.
India in 2016 they put severe limits on cash transitions. "to stop the 'black market'" "for the greater good"

Today Many banks and countries world wide are floating the idea of Digital currencies to replace cash.
In the US there are some businesses that simple do not take cash.
even My local UPS doesn't take cash anymore.

But hey, I'm Not sure what excuse is on the table to dismiss the idea that the globalist had ANYTHING to do with this, and/or claim that "it could never happen here". Or how it might be spun to claim it's a good thing.
But, some folks might.

[fj1200]

UPS. In the pocket of globalists?

[revelarts]

UPS. In the pocket of globalists?

mmm, maybe it's just following the trend blindly
or maybe
"UPS, World Economic Forum Partner"
"Our Partners
World Economic Forum Partners are leading global companies developing solutions to the world’s greatest challenges. They are the driving force behind the Forum’s programmes. Our Partners engage in Forum Platforms to shape the future, accessing networks and experts to ensure strategic decision-making on the most pressing world issues."
https://www.weforum.org/organizations/ups

I mean, OK maybe it's just the money for UPS right?
the Forums programs Smo-grams Psffft... it's that fat WEF account that they really want right am i right?
I mean that's all ANY company really wants. they all think like FJ would, so of course.
And Gotta go along to get along u-know-What-I'm Sayin' right? CACHING!!
Suuuure UPS is partners with the WEF "Agenda" wink wink...
nothing to see here.


But to the MAIN POINT I'm assuming you agree that a cashless world is a goal and they are successfully pushing it.
with their bungling maneuvers.
Or would you rather just dodge the point.

[fj1200]

mmm, maybe it's just following the trend blindly
or maybe
"UPS, World Economic Forum Partner"
"Our Partners
World Economic Forum Partners are leading global companies developing solutions to the world’s greatest challenges. They are the driving force behind the Forum’s programmes. Our Partners engage in Forum Platforms to shape the future, accessing networks and experts to ensure strategic decision-making on the most pressing world issues."
https://www.weforum.org/organizations/ups

I mean, OK maybe it's just the money for UPS right?
the Forums programs Smo-grams Psffft... it's that fat WEF account that they really want right am i right?
I mean that's all ANY company really wants. they all think like FJ would, so of course.
And Gotta go along to get along u-know-What-I'm Sayin' right? CACHING!!
Suuuure UPS is partners with the WEF "Agenda" wink wink...
nothing to see here.


But to the MAIN POINT I'm assuming you agree that a cashless world is a goal and they are successfully pushing it.
with their bungling maneuvers.
Or would you rather just dodge the point.

A cashless world; nefarious goal or natural extention of technological advancement?

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/...bile-payments/
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/...ts-government/
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/...-in-east-asia/
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/...al-preference/
https://reports.weforum.org/future-o...ashless-world/
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/...highest-price/
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/...highest-price/
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/...nger-a-utopia/

This kind of reminds me of someone bringing up the successes of BO, trump, <insert favorite POTUS here> and declaring these <insert list here> are proof of success where it's a list of things that have coincided with their being in that particular role. When in reality some things were because of, some things were in spite of, and some things only correlated on the space-time continuum. I'm pretty sure you're local UPS isn't taking cash because they hardly receive cash and don't want to deal with cash. Thus far FedEx is not affiliated with the WEF. Unknown if they still take cash.

[revelarts]

A cashless world; nefarious goal or natural extention of technological advancement?

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/...bile-payments/
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/...ts-government/
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/...-in-east-asia/
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/...al-preference/
https://reports.weforum.org/future-o...ashless-world/
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/...highest-price/
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/...highest-price/
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/...nger-a-utopia/

This kind of reminds me of someone bringing up the successes of BO, trump, <insert favorite POTUS here> and declaring these <insert list here> are proof of success where it's a list of things that have coincided with their being in that particular role. When in reality some things were because of, some things were in spite of, and some things only correlated on the space-time continuum. I'm pretty sure you're local UPS isn't taking cash because they hardly receive cash and don't want to deal with cash. Thus far FedEx is not affiliated with the WEF. Unknown if they still take cash.

the "natural extension of technological advancement".
suuure it is

A system where you cannot buy or sell without the gov't or banks knowing everything ... allowing everything... (at least allowing decent folks to buy & sell what's allowed that is) is "NATURAL".
the next logical step.
now that you've explained I'm all onboard.
I mean,
It's worked so well for China, it's the NATURAL next step... Cough. I see it now.




FJ,
what i hear you saying is
...well since they've basically built the ball field ANYWAY... OF COURSE playing baseball games is the next natural step... not some GOAL.
BTW LOOK at all the benefits of baseball for the area.
I'm not a FAN of the game myself but the stands and the field they HAPPENED to have had a part in building... despite their bungling... it's very nice...

[fj1200]

the "natural extension of technological advancement".
suuure it is

A system where you cannot buy or sell without the gov't or banks knowing everything ... allowing everything... (at least allowing decent folks to buy & sell what's allowed that is) is "NATURAL".
the next logical step.
now that you've explained I'm all onboard.
I mean,
It's worked so well for China, it's the NATURAL next step... Cough. I see it now.




FJ,
what i hear you saying is
...well since they've basically built the ball field ANYWAY... OF COURSE playing baseball games is the next natural step... not some GOAL.
BTW LOOK at all the benefits of baseball for the area.
I'm not a FAN of the game myself but the stands and the field they HAPPENED have a part in building... and despite their bungling it's very nice...

Globalists are not in charge of anything. Many people, depending on country, hardly ever touch cash. Many people made that decision because it's easier. Many companies would rather not receive cash. Globalists have not caused anything.

But I'm sorry... China is your example? They're not an example of anything related to free markets and free decisions; not sure why you bring them up.

[revelarts]

Globalists are not in charge of anything. Many people, depending on country, hardly ever touch cash. Many people made that decision because it's easier. Many companies would rather not receive cash. Globalists have not caused anything.

But I'm sorry... China is your example? They're not an example of anything related to free markets and free decisions; not sure why you bring them up.

"Globalists are not in charge of anything."
Except the things they bungle i guess.

look if they were outright dictators it all would have been done already. but they aren't... yet.
They are moving the pieces on the chess board using various amounts of influence and power and taking advantage of every crisis.

But Who's just talking about "free markets and free decisions" we're talking about the globalist actions to get what they want.
You're the one that's ASSUMING/Insisting that everything has been done/motivated by "free markets and free decisions".
As far as China goes it has been helped along by many globalist players from Kissinger to Rockefeller and the many multinational companies that have done biz in and with the People's Republic of China over the years. And helped them perfect the social credit system and CONTROLLED economy that they have now.
and they admire & promote as "beneficial" "natural" aspects of it to west and western leaders Fj.
People like former UK PM Tony Blair And his "institute for global change" which promotes vaccine passports. Blair said passports were "inevitable" (is that like "natural"?) and would be used for other things as well.

But hey you seem to have "free markets and free decisions" blinders on so I doubt you'll see the other agendas even though they have public websites & are having public conferences about creating world government.
it's all just talk.. and/or just happening "naturally"

[Gunny]

"Globalists are not in charge of anything."
Except the things they bungle i guess.

look if they were outright dictators it all would have been done already. but they aren't... yet.
They are moving the pieces on the chess board using various amounts of influence and power and taking advantage of every crisis.

But Who's just talking about "free markets and free decisions" we're talking about the globalist actions to get what they want.
You're the one that's ASSUMING/Insisting that everything has been done/motivated by "free markets and free decisions".
As far as China goes it has been helped along by many globalist players from Kissinger to Rockefeller and the many multinational companies that have done biz in and with the People's Republic of China over the years. And helped them perfect the social credit system and CONTROLLED economy that they have now.
and they admire & promote as "beneficial" "natural" aspects of it to west and western leaders Fj.
People like former UK PM Tony Blair And his "institute for global change" which promotes vaccine passports. Blair said passports were "inevitable" (is that like "natural"?) and would be used for other things as well.

But hey you seem to have "free markets and free decisions" blinders on so I doubt you'll see the other agendas even though they have public websites & are having public conferences about creating world government.
it's all just talk.. and/or just happening "naturally"

Here's a question: Assume these "globalists" all get together and agree to cooperate to take over the entire planet. Minus China because it won't play. Minus Russia because it won't play. Minus Eastern Europe and the Middle East because they won't play either.

Suppose this great fear you are mongering comes about. Then what? How does this change life for you as you live it now? They take away your cookie cuter job and cookie cutter house and cookie cutter EV and put you on the street? Hardly meets their goal of controlling you and making you work, pay taxes and buy their products.

Isn't that what we're already doing? If anything, this administration should have opened your eyes to the fact that you have actually nothing to say that matters to government/bureaucracy.

So what does it really matter what the puppet calls itself?

[revelarts]

Here's a question: Assume these "globalists" all get together and agree to cooperate to take over the entire planet. Minus China because it won't play. Minus Russia because it won't play. Minus Eastern Europe and the Middle East because they won't play either.

Suppose this great fear you are mongering comes about. Then what? How does this change life for you as you live it now? They take away your cookie cuter job and cookie cutter house and cookie cutter EV and put you on the street? Hardly meets their goal of controlling you and making you work, pay taxes and buy their products.

Isn't that what we're already doing? If anything, this administration should have opened your eyes to the fact that you have actually nothing to say that matters to government/bureaucracy.

So what does it really matter what the puppet calls itself?

So in another thread you're talking about taking out Putin ....before it's to late...
So why don't you want to just lay down for Putin since we have no say anyway?
How does Putin taking over change your life?
Wouldn't he prefer to take the US without a shot... Like the globalist are?

[Black Diamond]

So in another thread you're talking about taking out Putin ....before it's to late...
So why don't you want to just lay down for Putin since we have no say anyway?
How does Putin taking over change your life?

Putin is against many of these new western ideals. Like the woke gay transgender crap. I have a feeling the people you are describing here are much in favor of those things.