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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    COVID led to the biggest drop in births in 50 years. But not in every state.
    Adrianna Rodriguez
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    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...d/11639988002/


    But it was "Covid" that did it ...not anything else...-cough-
    Did you actually read your link?

    They discovered fluctuating fertility rates in some states were more strongly linked to demographic, economic and political factors rather than COVID-19 cases, suggesting family planning could have been partly stunted by consequences of the pandemic rather than the disease itself.

    U.S. births had been declining for more than a decade since before COVID-19, but they dropped 4% from 2019 to 2020, according to the Centers for Diseases Control and Prevention. Births increased by 1% from 2020 to 2021 but haven't recovered to pre-pandemic rates.

    For example, politically liberal places like New York and Washington, D.C., had the highest social distancing indexes and the lowest fertility rates, while conservative states like Idaho and Montana had the lowest social distancing indexes and the highest fertility rates.

    Fertility rates have historically followed economic factors, but the study’s findings suggested that may have been exacerbated during the pandemic.
    Researchers found states with greater income inequality, higher percentage of college-degree earners, and larger drops in employment at the start of the pandemic saw the biggest changes in fertility rates.
    But yes, lazy headlines; par for the course.
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    Last edited by revelarts; 05-16-2023 at 11:49 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    This stuff makes the "Bill Gates is the antichrist" theory soar.

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    Default IMO...Nothing new.

    In today's World of instant, second by second news from around the globe.
    More people are being informed about the death rates that have been taking place
    for centuries.
    NEWSFLASH: The day we are all put on this planet, is the first day we lose of being alive.
    The final outcome is, and always has been DEATH. Unless somebody knows another reason.

    With about 8 Billion human beings now living on Earth. Most of the deaths are YES...Caused by Cancer, and other diseases.
    While the rest of the deaths...probably also huge in numbers. Are, in reality. Nothing more than the Outcome of
    BEING BORN, and time expiring for ALL OF US.
    That's the way I see life today in my 76th year. I know I am closer to becoming another obituary number, than to my birthday.
    I may be older than most. I may say things not everybody will like.
    But despite all of that. I will never lower myself to the level of Liars, Haters, Cheats, and Hypocrites.
    Philippians 4:13 I Can Do All Things Through Christ Who Strengthens Me:

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    Quote Originally Posted by icansayit View Post
    In today's World of instant, second by second news from around the globe.
    More people are being informed about the death rates that have been taking place
    for centuries.
    NEWSFLASH: The day we are all put on this planet, is the first day we lose of being alive.
    The final outcome is, and always has been DEATH. Unless somebody knows another reason.

    With about 8 Billion human beings now living on Earth. Most of the deaths are YES...Caused by Cancer, and other diseases.
    While the rest of the deaths...probably also huge in numbers. Are, in reality. Nothing more than the Outcome of
    BEING BORN, and time expiring for ALL OF US.
    That's the way I see life today in my 76th year. I know I am closer to becoming another obituary number, than to my birthday.
    Agreed.

    My opinion is more people die of cancer as the means by which people died in the past are eliminated. Before penicillin, people died from bacterial infections we take for granted today. People in 3rd World countries STILL die from stuff we can't even fathom because it's so far beneath our arrogant, pampered asses.

    Like you say, in the end, we're all gonna die
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    BoogyMan addressed the ..."people die"..."more people".... "more older people"
    excuses earlier in the thread


    Quote Originally Posted by BoogyMan View Post
    That makes perfect sense if you are looking at data in the longer term, not so much in the 1 to 2 year window we are discussing. A 40% jump in that short of a timeframe is shockworthy. I am an engineer and I follow specific principles of data examination to prevent process changes due to small numbers of anomalous results. This is not a situation where we are discussing small numbers, this is a situation where we are seeing shocking numbers with specific sets of variances from norms.
    It's not the normal rate of death, cancers, heart attacks, or strokes.
    especially for people under 50.

    Professionals from the medical field, the insurance field and even accountants who work for major hedge funds who count on trends all agree that the death numbers are WAY off... AFTER the vax roll outs.

    but maybe if Dr Fauci, the CDC, the WHO or whatever "real" authority say it, folks will think it's happening.

    no worries.

    not sure how many canaries have to die in the coal mine before folks take it seriously.
    I'm thinking the lawyers might end up turning out to be heroes here if they can pry more info from gov't & big pharma hands.

    --if you've been injuries or had a loved one die prematurely after receiving 'emergency use' vaccines, you might be entitled to compensation---
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    Dr. Aseem Malhotra tells Joe Rogan that a reanalysis of Pfizer and Moderna's original clinical trial data shows that their COVID mRNA vaccines *INCREASE* your risks of serious adverse events, hospitalization, and death:

    "In my whole career, looking at all of the drugs and knowing about many different prescribed medications, I've never seen something that when you look at the data has such poor effectiveness and unprecedented harms. In the summer of last year, in the journal Vaccine, the highest-impact medical journal for vaccines, they published a reanalysis of Pfizer and Moderna's original double-blinded randomized controlled trial.

    This is the highest quality of scientific evidence. Joseph Fraiman is an ER doctor and clinical data scientist from Louisiana. Associate editor of the BMJ, Dr. Peter Doshi. Dr. Robert Kaplan from Stanford. Some real eminence of integrity published this reanalysis, and what they found was this. In the trials that led to the approval of regulators worldwide, you were more likely to suffer a severe adverse event from taking the vaccine, hospitalization, disability, or life-changing event than you were to be hospitalized with COVID.

    This mRNA vaccine should likely have never been approved for a single human in the first place, and that rate of serious adverse events is at least 1 in 800... 1 in 800 is a very, very high figure. We've pulled other vaccines for much less. The 1976 Swine Flu vaccine was pulled because it was found to cause a debilitating neurological condition called Guillan-Barre syndrome in about 1 in 100,000 people. The Rotavirus vaccine was suspended in 1999 because it was found to cause a form of bowel obstruction in kids in 1 of 10,000. This is at least 1 in 800. It's a no-brainer. So the question is, why have we not paused it?"
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36055877/

    General over prescriptions and lies
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    Excuse me if I missed something earlier in the thread, but THAT is what this is about? The COVID vaccine? So yesterday. The lengths people will go sometimes attempting to justify their personal decisions

    Should try keeping up with current events. The federal government/bureaucracy that's slowly tightening the noose around all our necks is going to kill us long before any vaccine. But they do appreciate you keeping up with the program distracting yourself chasing rabbits down holes.

    People die. Sometimes more, sometimes less. The machine is not going to kill off it's slave pool. Just the parts that squeak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Excuse me if I missed something earlier in the thread, but THAT is what this is about? The COVID vaccine? So yesterday. The lengths people will go sometimes attempting to justify their personal decisions

    Should try keeping up with current events. The federal government/bureaucracy that's slowly tightening the noose around all our necks is going to kill us long before any vaccine. But they do appreciate you keeping up with the program distracting yourself chasing rabbits down holes.

    People die. Sometimes more, sometimes less. The machine is not going to kill off it's slave pool. Just the parts that squeak.
    Is @revelarts assuming the pharm companies and govt *knew* the vaccines would kill people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    Is @revelarts assuming the pharm companies and govt *knew* the vaccines would kill people?
    The pharm companies and govt where the only ones that saw the full un-redacted test results before the 'vaccines' were promoted to the public.

    BTW
    https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/...-advocates-are
    The fiercest vaccine advocates are starting to admit the truth about the mRNAs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    Is @revelarts assuming the pharm companies and govt *knew* the vaccines would kill people?
    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    The pharm companies and govt where the only ones that saw the full un-redacted test results before the 'vaccines' were promoted to the public.

    BTW
    https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/...-advocates-are
    The fiercest vaccine advocates are starting to admit the truth about the mRNAs
    I can even agree with rev's response, as far as his personal statement. Although, I don't find it peculiar that the pharm companies and government see the results first. That's kind of how it works. The panicked, embarrassing public cries to the government and the government goes shopping. In this case, needing a vaccine, to the people that make vaccines.

    Sure it got rushed. So did the "Patriot Act". In response to the sheeple crying to the government to save us. In the case of the latter, it doesn't mean it doesn't work. Anything foreign introduced into the human body comes with inherent risk, and affects a .00X number of people.

    The whole topic is driven by nothing but fear. Fear of COVID. Fear of dying. Fear of the COVID vaccine. Fear of dying. Lest we forget, lots of people were dying. From the virus.

    Not to be forgotten also is the current Western mindset of refusing to acknowledge one could be wrong, to the point of making outlandish arguments based on cherry picked numbers, half-truths and/or outright lies.

    IMO, the worst damage done to this Nation, and most of the rest of the World for that matter, was done by neither virus nor vaccine. It's what government and people did to themselves in their own minds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    I can even agree with rev's response, as far as his personal statement. Although, I don't find it peculiar that the pharm companies and government see the results first. That's kind of how it works. The panicked, embarrassing public cries to the government and the government goes shopping. In this case, needing a vaccine, to the people that make vaccines.

    Sure it got rushed. So did the "Patriot Act". In response to the sheeple crying to the government to save us. In the case of the latter, it doesn't mean it doesn't work. Anything foreign introduced into the human body comes with inherent risk, and affects a .00X number of people.

    The whole topic is driven by nothing but fear. Fear of COVID. Fear of dying. Fear of the COVID vaccine. Fear of dying. Lest we forget, lots of people were dying. From the virus.

    Not to be forgotten also is the current Western mindset of refusing to acknowledge one could be wrong, to the point of making outlandish arguments based on cherry picked numbers, half-truths and/or outright lies.

    IMO, the worst damage done to this Nation, and most of the rest of the World for that matter, was done by neither virus nor vaccine. It's what government and people did to themselves in their own minds.
    here's the thing to me.

    at this point FEW to NONE of the people (including many gov't world wide and even the WHO) are recommending ANY of the measures that they DEMANDED the world to do earlier.
    And the Fear you mentioned was pumped up by the Gov't, big pharma, media, Dr Bill Gates etc about Covid.
    There are now records and confessions from Canadian, UK and various Gov't players in the U.S. how they used military PSY-OPs tactics to push the fear into the public to try and get everyone on board with the gov'ts preferred "solutions".

    "solutions" Which they are now begrudgingly admitting were largely ineffective, counter productive or outright dangerous.

    You keep saying that the 'Both sides' pushed fears in equivalently negative ways.
    But somehow you leave out that only ONE side (based in THEIR fears) used EVERY form of economic, political and social coercion, pressure tactic, verbal abuse & censorship to try to get EVERY man, woman & child who disagreed to comply with their CULT level belief in their BS.
    To the tune of loss of biz, careers, educations, pensions, contact with family, parks, medical treatments, public access, speech, travel...etc.

    While the other side simply wanted to look more closely at the data, (since when has believing the govt blindly been a good thing gunny?)
    to be left the H3ll alone to deal with Covid in our own ways,
    to look at & use alternatives to deal with the problem.
    NOT using Cult like 'solutions' or coercion to get others to.

    And as far as fear of the vaccines are concerned personally, well hey, I RARELY take any medications. period, full stop.
    Even those that have been around for 30+ years. So to my thinking it's Crazy to take any vaccine which is based on a brand new virus like pfizers and others.
    Even worse to take one based on a brand new medical technique never tested on humans successfully.
    In my mind, the ONLY reason for ME or anyone in my family to take any completely brand new experimental drugs is if they are dying and there are ABSOLUTELY NO other options.
    But this pandemic, even when the numbers/percentages were inflated, NEVER was a real threat to generally healthy people under 60.

    And natural immunity was ALWAYS a better than all the options promoted.
    The folks that caused the problem were the Gov'ts, media big pharma and those that got caught up in the fear they ginned up over COVID.
    AND all the LIES they told about it. (Not from China, not from lab, asymptomatic infections, vaccines will stop the spread, mask work, kids in danger, pandemic of the unvaccinated, 'winter of death' etc etc )

    Thank God some people resisted the BS and maybe helped slow the crazy.
    One lesson we should all take away is the OLD one of -the 1st rules in any emergency, DON'T PANIC!-
    When people panic MORE folks are harmed.
    Also, don't trust people who are trying to spook the herd.

    But Gunny judging by yours and others continued reaction i think the the old saying applies.
    "the one thing we learn from history, is that no one learns from history."


    And as far as fear of the vaccines are concerned GENERALLY , does it make sense to do DEEP reviews of the medical track record of the drugs given to more people in the history of modern medicine?
    or should we just assume the best?
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    here's the thing to me.

    at this point FEW to NONE of the people (including many gov't world wide and even the WHO) are recommending ANY of the measures that they DEMANDED the world to do earlier.
    And the Fear you mentioned was pumped up by the Gov't, big pharma, media, Dr Bill Gates etc about Covid.
    There are now records and confessions from Canadian, UK and various Gov't players in the U.S. how they used military PSY-OPs tactics to push the fear into the public to try and get everyone on board with the gov'ts preferred "solutions".

    "solutions" Which they are now begrudgingly admitting were largely ineffective, counter productive or outright dangerous.

    You keep saying that the 'Both sides' pushed fears in equivalently negative ways.
    But somehow you leave out that only ONE side (based in THEIR fears) used EVERY form of economic, political and social coercion, pressure tactic, verbal abuse & censorship to try to get EVERY man, woman & child who disagreed to comply with their CULT level belief in their BS.
    To the tune of loss of biz, careers, educations, pensions, contact with family, parks, medical treatments, public access, speech, travel...etc.

    While the other side simply wanted to look more closely at the data, (since when has believing the govt blindly been a good thing gunny?)
    to be left the H3ll alone to deal with Covid in our own ways,
    to look at & use alternatives to deal with the problem.
    NOT using Cult like 'solutions' or coercion to get others to.

    And as far as fear of the vaccines are concerned personally, well hey, I RARELY take any medications. period, full stop.
    Even those that have been around for 30+ years. So to my thinking it's Crazy to take any vaccine which is based on a brand new virus like pfizers and others.
    Even worse to take one based on a brand new medical technique never tested on humans successfully.
    In my mind, the ONLY reason for ME or anyone in my family to take any completely brand new experimental drugs is if they are dying and there are ABSOLUTELY NO other options.
    But this pandemic, even when the numbers/percentages were inflated, NEVER was a real threat to generally healthy people under 60.

    And natural immunity was ALWAYS a better than all the options promoted.
    The folks that caused the problem were the Gov'ts, media big pharma and those that got caught up in the fear they ginned up over COVID.
    AND all the LIES they told about it. (Not from China, not from lab, asymptomatic infections, vaccines will stop the spread, mask work, kids in danger, pandemic of the unvaccinated, 'winter of death' etc etc )

    Thank God some people resisted the BS and maybe helped slow the crazy.
    One lesson we should all take away is the OLD one of -the 1st rules in any emergency, DON'T PANIC!-
    When people panic MORE folks are harmed.
    Also, don't trust people who are trying to spook the herd.

    But Gunny judging by yours and others continued reaction i think the the old saying applies.
    "the one thing we learn from history, is that no one learns from history."


    And as far as fear of the vaccines are concerned GENERALLY , does it make sense to do DEEP reviews of the medical track record of the drugs given to more people in the history of modern medicine?
    or should we just assume the best?
    Nobody slowed anything.

    One lesson we should all take away is the OLD one of -the 1st rules in any emergency, DON'T PANIC!-
    When people panic MORE folks are harmed.
    Also, don't trust people who are trying to spook the herd.
    Your own words apply to you as much as anyone freaking out and demanding others get vaccinated. You've been and are still trying to prove your unprovable case, and spook whoever you could. It has been hard to distinguish between the for and against extremist intertwining their misinformation/lies with the facts educated people need to make a correct decision based on individual circumstance.

    Man does not learn from history. We just repeat it with better weapons.
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    Even the W.H.O. beginning to admit it.







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    Global excess deaths associated with COVID-19, January 2020 - December 2021New hope children centrehttps://www.newhopeuplands.orgIf you would like to support the work in Africa, donations are welcome using the PayPal link below. 100% of funds go directly to Africa. Thank you. https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted...A comprehensive view of global deaths directly and indirectly associated the COVID-19 pandemic.https://www.who.int/data/stories/glob...The World Health Organization (WHO) is tracking global excess mortality as the pandemic evolves over time to reveal a picture of its full impact and burden on countries, health systems and individuals.'Excess mortality' is defined as the difference between the total number of deaths that have occurred and the number of deaths that would have been expected in the absence of the pandemic i.e. a no-COVID-19 scenario.Understanding the excess mortality:Excess mortality includes deaths attributable directly to COVID-19,includes deaths attributable directly to COVID-19 that were not counted or reported,includes deaths indirectly associated with COVID-19, due to other causes and diseases, resulting from the wider impact of the pandemic on health systems and society.It is minus any deaths that would have occurred under normal circumstances but were averted due to pandemic-related changes in social conditions and personal behaviors,e.g. less traffic deaths or influenza deaths due to local lockdowns and less travel.No mention ofAdverse effects of lockdowns, social, economic, psychological, psychiatricAdverse events of medical interventions (iatrogenesis)https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilt...https://www.canada.ca/en/public-healt...Vaccination of individuals who are pregnantStudies continue to support vaccination during pregnancy. Safety of Omicron-containing bivalent mRNA COVID-19 vaccinesThe safety profile of the bivalent mRNA COVID-19 vaccine boosters is comparable to that of original mRNA COVID-19 vaccine boosters No evidence on VE against infant outcomes is available for vaccination with bivalent mRNA vaccines in persons who are pregnant.In Western Australiahttps://www.health.wa.gov.au/~/media/...Total AEFI rate following a COVID-19 vaccine was 264.1 per 100,000 doses. 26.41 per 10 thousand 2.641 per thousand0.241%One in 414 dosesOf these AEFI, (adverse events following immunisation)10,428 (97%) occurred after a COVID-19 vaccine21 times more common than ‘conventional’ vaccinesMyocardial Injury after COVID-19 mRNA-1273 Booster Vaccination https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/e...One in 35 recipients (2.8%) had vaccine-associated myocardial injury
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    Default Today...at 76..

    I no longer care what excuses ANYONE comes up with.

    I just know...as I get closer to the end.

    Talking about death rates, and asking Why...is just plain simple.

    "The second, minute, hour, and day we are all born is:

    One second, minute, hour, and day closer to our Last Heartbeat.

    Nothing any of us say will change what the inevitable brings".
    (icansayit Aug 4, 2023)
    I may be older than most. I may say things not everybody will like.
    But despite all of that. I will never lower myself to the level of Liars, Haters, Cheats, and Hypocrites.
    Philippians 4:13 I Can Do All Things Through Christ Who Strengthens Me:

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