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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Some Men beat their wives
    I noticed a you have a wife.
    Do you beat your wife?
    Many men say they don't. hopefully you don't.

    All i'm doing is asking a question.
    I'm not assuming anything.

    Did you know those things that I discovered? Was I wrong? Did you critically think through the studies that agree with you just as much as you overread a one-sentence blurb in something you don't?

    It's not merely asking questions, it's asking pertinent questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Did you know those things that I discovered? Was I wrong? Did you critically think through the studies that agree with you just as much as you overread a one-sentence blurb in something you don't?

    It's not merely asking questions, it's asking pertinent questions.
    gaslighting again?
    What did you discover FJ?
    All I've seen you present is a bunch of negative speculation about the what you assume the studies did not account for.

    when you have info, like the scientist who refuted the 'hockey stick charts' who pointed to the specific facts that it did not account for certain years. And that the formula used was flawed so that nearly any numbers plugged in would create a 'hockey stick'.
    Then get back to me.
    Not with rando negative assumptions and wondering if it's a "bad study" LIKE THIS OTHER BAD STUDY over here.
    Last edited by revelarts; 09-26-2023 at 01:25 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    gaslighting again?
    What did you discover FJ?
    All I've seen you present is a bunch of negative speculation about the what you assume the studies did not account for.

    when you have info, like the scientist who refuted the 'hockey stick charts' who pointed to the specific facts that it did not account for certain years. And that the formula used was flawed so that nearly any numbers plugged in would create a 'hockey stick'.
    Then get back to me.
    Not with rando negative assumptions and wondering if it's a "bad study" LIKE THIS OTHER BAD STUDY over here.
    No, you're not sure what you posted would be a shorter answer. There is no amount of accounting that can be made for something to be causative if used after the "correlated" event. Please, point out where I'm off base. All I did was do exactly what you wanted me to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    No, you're not sure what you posted would be a shorter answer. There is no amount of accounting that can be made for something to be causative if used after the "correlated" event. Please, point out where I'm off base. All I did was do exactly what you wanted me to do.
    so by you're standard we can NEVER know.
    so you assume it's false.

    By that standard we can NEVER know if the vaccine EVER worked. ANY vaccine.
    "There is no amount of accounting that can be made for something to be causative if used after the "correlated" event."
    Last edited by revelarts; 09-26-2023 at 01:44 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    so by you're standard we can NEVER know.
    so you assume it's false.

    By that standard we can NEVER know if the vaccine EVER worked. ANY vaccine.
    "There is no amount of accounting that can be made for something to be causative if used after the "correlated" event."
    No. That would be a different study. If rates are lower after the vaccine then that would indicate the vaccine has some effectiveness. It, by definition, can't cause something if it happened after the claimed event. What do you think about the Peru graph on the top of page 90?

    You asked why? I answered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    No. That would be a different study. If rates are lower after the vaccine then that would indicate the vaccine has some effectiveness. It, by definition, can't cause something if it happened after the claimed event. What do you think about the Peru graph on the top of page 90?

    You asked why? I answered.
    "If rates are lower after the vaccine then that would indicate the vaccine has some effectiveness. "
    "There is no amount of accounting that can be made for something to be causative if used after the "correlated" event."

    why couldn't have been lockdowns? or mask? or hand washing? or prayer, or ozone, or the election of Biden & harris ?
    I'm just asking a question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    "If rates are lower after the vaccine then that would indicate the vaccine has some effectiveness. "
    "There is no amount of accounting that can be made for something to be causative if used after the "correlated" event."

    why couldn't have been lockdowns? or mask? or hand washing? or prayer, or ozone, or the election of Biden & harris ?
    I'm just asking a question.
    You cannot be serious. /johnmcenroe

    We're talking about two different things. It isn't a study about vaccine effectiveness beyond the vaccine. It's claiming that the vaccine caused excess mortality; it seems that there are some problems with that. If you're trying to decide whether the vaccine is effective after it's administered then look to see if there are mortality spikes after the doses are given; if there are spikes then it seems that it's not effective, if there aren't spikes it suggests that they are effective. I don't recall any spikes after the vaccine was delivered. But hey, you could look and find out. You'd have to click to the actual study though; the article you posted was kind of a puff piece.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    You cannot be serious. /johnmcenroe

    We're talking about two different things. It isn't a study about vaccine effectiveness beyond the vaccine. It's claiming that the vaccine caused excess mortality; it seems that there are some problems with that. If you're trying to decide whether the vaccine is effective after it's administered then look to see if there are mortality spikes after the doses are given; if there are spikes then it seems that it's not effective, if there aren't spikes it suggests that they are effective. I don't recall any spikes after the vaccine was delivered. But hey, you could look and find out. You'd have to click to the actual study though; the article you posted was kind of a puff piece.
    ....It's claiming that the vaccine caused excess mortality;
    If you're trying to decide whether the vaccine caused excess mortality after it's administered then look to see if there are mortality spikes after the doses are given; if there are spikes then it seems that it's caused excess mortality, if there aren't spikes it suggests that did not cause excess mortality.
    I do recall spikes after the vaccine was delivered.

    But hey, you could look and find out. You'd have to click to the actual study though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    ....It's claiming that the vaccine caused excess mortality; If you're trying to decide whether the vaccine caused excess mortality after it's administered then look to see if there are mortality spikes after the doses are given; if there are spikes then it seems that it's caused excess mortality, if there aren't spikes it suggests that did not cause excess mortality. I do recall spikes after the vaccine was delivered. But hey, you could look and find out. You'd have to click to the actual study though.
    I did. That's how I know the study looks like an exercise in a predetermined outcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    I did. That's how I know the study looks like an exercise in a predetermined outcome.

    you = discredited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AHZ View Post
    you = discredited.
    You didn't understand the words being used did you? If you claim that vaccines cause death then the death spike would be after the vaccine spike; in many cases it didn't. The same data would also suggest that if death spikes did not occur after the vaccine spike then vaccines may be effective.
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    Excess deaths in 2023 confirmed


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    FDA Finds 'Signal' For Seizures Among COVID-19 Vaccinated Toddlers

    BY TYLER DURDEN

    WEDNESDAY, OCT 18, 2023 - 08:00 PM
    Authored by Zachary Stieber via The Epoch Times (emphasis ours),
    A safety signal of seizures for young children following COVID-19 vaccination has been detected by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

    The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in White Oak, Md., on June 5, 2023. (Madalina Vasiliu/The Epoch Times)Seizures/convulsions "met the statistical threshold for a signal" in children aged 2 to 4 following receipt of a Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine and children aged 2 to 5 following receipt of a Moderna COVID-19 vaccine, researchers with the FDA and three large healthcare companies said in a new preprint study.
    A safety signal is a sign that a health condition may be caused by vaccination, but further research is required to verify a link.
    The data came from three health claims databases run by Optum, Carelon Research, and CVS Health, supplemented with vaccination information from state and local systems. The health claims databases are part of the FDA's Biologics Effectiveness and Safety System, a drug safety monitoring system.
    Researchers looked at 15 health conditions following vaccination entered in the commercial databases and compared rates among children aged 6 months old to 17 years old to background rates from 2019, 2020, or both.
    Overall, 72 cases of seizures/convulsions were recorded within seven days of a shot among toddlers and other young children. Most happened within three days of a shot.
    When stratifying the data by dose, the researchers found signals for dose one and dose two for Pfizer's shot in two of the three databases in children aged 2 to 4. They also found a signal following dose two of Moderna's shot in children aged two to five....

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fda-finds-safety-signal-covid-19-vaccination-among-toddlers?ref=biztoc.com


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