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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    My sarcasm is not directed at you Kath, But someone's who name I will not say.
    but the letters to his name are F & J.
    I think he's alot like you in getting heated about what he feels very strongly about.

    Now, I do think when he was discussing admitting what is in common between those like you-largely committed to the government/big pharma intentionally or close to it, hurting the citizenry; and me, who is not putting anything past the government, but doesn't go down the same road. I think there were wrongs done and still happening because of a decision to go full bore on this virus. Two administrations-one bureaucracy.


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    BTW,
    2010 - CBS news
    "The first court award in a vaccine-autism claim is a big one.
    CBS News has learned the family of Hannah Poling will receive more than $1.5 million dollars for her life care; lost earnings; and pain and suffering for the first year alone.

    In addition to the first year, the family will receive more than $500,000 per year to pay for Hannah's care. Those familiar with the case believe the compensation could easily amount to $20 million over the child's lifetime.

    Hannah was described as normal, happy and precocious in her first 18 months.

    Then, in July 2000, she was vaccinated against nine diseases in one doctor's visit: measles, mumps, rubella, polio, varicella, diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, and Haemophilus influenzae.

    Afterward, her health declined rapidly. She developed high fevers, stopped eating, didn't respond when spoken to, began showing signs of autism, and began having screaming fits. In 2002, Hannah's parents filed an autism claim in federal vaccine court. Five years later, the government settled the case before trial and had it sealed. It's taken more than two years for both sides to agree on how much Hannah will be compensated for her injuries.

    In acknowledging Hannah's injuries, the government said vaccines aggravated an unknown mitochondrial disorder Hannah had which didn't "cause" her autism, but "resulted" in it. It's unknown how many other children have similar undiagnosed mitochondrial disorder. All other autism "test cases" have been defeated at trial. Approximately 4,800 are awaiting disposition in federal vaccine court....
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/family-...m-court-award/

    more studies need to be done here as well.
    If you check the children defense fund site you'll find a lot of info on this. including the lancet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    BTW,
    2010 - CBS news
    "The first court award in a vaccine-autism claim is a big one.
    CBS News has learned the family of Hannah Poling will receive more than $1.5 million dollars for her life care; lost earnings; and pain and suffering for the first year alone.

    In addition to the first year, the family will receive more than $500,000 per year to pay for Hannah's care. Those familiar with the case believe the compensation could easily amount to $20 million over the child's lifetime.

    Hannah was described as normal, happy and precocious in her first 18 months.

    Then, in July 2000, she was vaccinated against nine diseases in one doctor's visit: measles, mumps, rubella, polio, varicella, diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, and Haemophilus influenzae.

    Afterward, her health declined rapidly. She developed high fevers, stopped eating, didn't respond when spoken to, began showing signs of autism, and began having screaming fits. In 2002, Hannah's parents filed an autism claim in federal vaccine court. Five years later, the government settled the case before trial and had it sealed. It's taken more than two years for both sides to agree on how much Hannah will be compensated for her injuries.

    In acknowledging Hannah's injuries, the government said vaccines aggravated an unknown mitochondrial disorder Hannah had which didn't "cause" her autism, but "resulted" in it. It's unknown how many other children have similar undiagnosed mitochondrial disorder. All other autism "test cases" have been defeated at trial. Approximately 4,800 are awaiting disposition in federal vaccine court....
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/family-...m-court-award/

    more studies need to be done here as well.
    If you check the children defense fund site you'll find a lot of info on this. including the lancet.
    yes.

    big pharma is literally eugenics-nazis; people who facilitate their agenda are prussian-adjacent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    BTW,
    2010 - CBS news
    "The first court award in a vaccine-autism claim is a big one.
    CBS News has learned the family of Hannah Poling will receive more than $1.5 million dollars for her life care; lost earnings; and pain and suffering for the first year alone.

    In addition to the first year, the family will receive more than $500,000 per year to pay for Hannah's care. Those familiar with the case believe the compensation could easily amount to $20 million over the child's lifetime.

    Hannah was described as normal, happy and precocious in her first 18 months.

    Then, in July 2000, she was vaccinated against nine diseases in one doctor's visit: measles, mumps, rubella, polio, varicella, diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, and Haemophilus influenzae.

    Afterward, her health declined rapidly. She developed high fevers, stopped eating, didn't respond when spoken to, began showing signs of autism, and began having screaming fits. In 2002, Hannah's parents filed an autism claim in federal vaccine court. Five years later, the government settled the case before trial and had it sealed. It's taken more than two years for both sides to agree on how much Hannah will be compensated for her injuries.

    In acknowledging Hannah's injuries, the government said vaccines aggravated an unknown mitochondrial disorder Hannah had which didn't "cause" her autism, but "resulted" in it. It's unknown how many other children have similar undiagnosed mitochondrial disorder. All other autism "test cases" have been defeated at trial. Approximately 4,800 are awaiting disposition in federal vaccine court....
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/family-...m-court-award/

    more studies need to be done here as well.
    If you check the children defense fund site you'll find a lot of info on this. including the lancet.

    I get vaccines have side effects. I get that some will have very adverse reactions, including death. The standard always has to be, without the vaccine how many will have permanent disabilities or die? With it? IMO, without doubt, when the vaccine problems are significant in reducing the disease being protected against, patients need to think long and hard, especially for their children.

    With something like MMR, polio, there is a government interest in protecting those that cannot be vaccinated against those parents that want their children to benefit by herd immunity and protected from any vaccine risks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    I get vaccines have side effects. I get that some will have very adverse reactions, including death. The standard always has to be, without the vaccine how many will have permanent disabilities or die? With it? IMO, without doubt, when the vaccine problems are significant in reducing the disease being protected against, patients need to think long and hard, especially for their children.

    With something like MMR, polio, there is a government interest in protecting those that cannot be vaccinated against those parents that want their children to benefit by herd immunity and protected from any vaccine risks.
    god dammit no kathianne.

    you're on the wrong side.

    government interests in protecting children from their anti-vaxx parents......?

    you're still with satan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    I get vaccines have side effects. I get that some will have very adverse reactions, including death. The standard always has to be, without the vaccine how many will have permanent disabilities or die? With it? IMO, without doubt, when the vaccine problems are significant in reducing the disease being protected against, patients need to think long and hard, especially for their children.

    With something like MMR, polio, there is a government interest in protecting those that cannot be vaccinated against those parents that want their children to benefit by herd immunity and protected from any vaccine risks.
    Well, there's a lot that could go into that but without going into a deep dive,
    how many Amish have died form all the diseases the vaccines ONLY are supposed to prevent?
    Seems they would nearly wiped out by now. Herd in close contact for sure. sharing communion cups no less.
    And many of the diseases that the recommended vaccines are for are not even deadly, especially if caught in time.
    Measles used to be thought of as pretty mild, for the majority of people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Well, there's a lot that could go into that but without going into a deep dive,
    how many Amish have died form all the diseases the vaccines ONLY are supposed to prevent?

    Seems they would nearly wiped out by now. Herd in close contact for sure. sharing communion cups no less.
    And many of the diseases that the recommended vaccines are for are not even deadly, especially if caught in time.
    Measles used to be thought of as pretty mild, for the majority of people.
    communions might be papistry im not sure.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by AHZ View Post
    communions might be papistry im not sure.....
    Many Amish share communion cups at their churches as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Well, there's a lot that could go into that but without going into a deep dive,
    how many Amish have died form all the diseases the vaccines ONLY are supposed to prevent?

    Seems they would nearly wiped out by now. Herd in close contact for sure. sharing communion cups no less.
    And many of the diseases that the recommended vaccines are for are not even deadly, especially if caught in time.
    Measles used to be thought of as pretty mild, for the majority of people.
    How many Amish are integrated into public schools or society in general? Homeschoolers aren't mandated, though when at movies or zoo or grocery they put others at risk.

    Which of the common childhood diseases are not deadly or permanently life changing-like polio to many children? How do you 'catch' polio or measles early? I'm not doing the deep dive, but I'm pretty sure they've been done. What's the death and permanent life changing rate for unvaccinated v vaccinated? Again, those that piggyback on the herd immunity of the responsible should be liable financially if their special darling spreads disease and kills.


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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Many Amish share communion cups at their churches as well

    i think they have it all figured out.

    do your chores. don't murder even if the state says so.......

    the amish are killing it right now.

    there's power in never being distracted by satan's baubles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Many Amish share communion cups at their churches as well
    within their own homogeneous community. Of course, if some virile form was brought into the community, could be total wipeout-having zero antibodies, which is not true of most of greater community.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    within their own homogeneous community. Of course, if some virile form was brought into the community, could be total wipeout-having zero antibodies, which is not true of most of greater community.
    Many got covid, very few died.
    the Amish communities were among the 1st (only?) to be declared to truly have "herd immunity"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    within their own homogeneous community. Of course, if some virile form was brought into the community, could be total wipeout-having zero antibodies, which is not true of most of greater community.

    nor is it true of the amish.

    I don't know if you remember kat, but the latest round of pushed vaxxes made people more susceptibel to disease.

    Are we allowed to mention these facts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Many got covid, very few died.
    the Amish communities were among the 1st (only?) to be declared to truly have "herd immunity"
    we all have it.


    they rely on it more, it's safe to say.

    compulsive cleanliness and not letting children get dirty degrades it's strength, as does formulas instead of breastfeeding.

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