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    And the fact that Hillary and her team literally used hammers to destroy their cellphones and other devices?
    And used digital data wiping software on her computers?
    To destroy classified material.
    Somehow that's never been prosecuted... or raid worthy.

    But Trump can be banned from twitter & social media, have his home raided, and tried in congress without representation.

    Seems legit.--cough--
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    Default Think about this Senator from the 1950's...TODAY

    I may be older than most. I may say things not everybody will like.
    But despite all of that. I will never lower myself to the level of Liars, Haters, Cheats, and Hypocrites.
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    It is proper to take alarm at the first experiment on our liberties. The freeman of America did not wait till usurped power had strengthened itself by exercise, and entangled the question in precedents. James Madison
    Live as free people, yet without employing your freedom as a pretext for wickedness; but live at all times as servants of God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    What if he did it?
    Then he deserves to be treated the same as all the past presidents who did similar bullshit.

    How many of them have been raided?
    If the freedom of speech is taken away
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    Quote Originally Posted by hjmick View Post
    Thank you. Eleven posts before anyone finally considers there may be a valid reason the FBI went to Mar-a-largo
    Because there is no valid reason to do a full blown FBI raid of Trump's home and steal every piece of paper and break into an empty safe other than political posturing.

    Did they raid Clinton knowing she had a undisclosed server with classified documents? No. They gave her time to destroy the evidence and didn't raid her premises.

    Every recent presidential administration has had some Presidential Records Act violations, but the FBI has never conducted a raid like this.
    Even far-left CNN commentators know Monday’s raid was nothing more than a third world intimidation tactic.
    “If this becomes a presidential records act violation, not more, do you think it is enough to warrant all of this?” CNN’s Kate Bolduan asked legal analyst Paul Callan.
    “No, it’s not enough to warrant all of this and this is a daring and dangerous move by the Department of Justice to serve a warrant on a former president,” Paul Callan said.
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...justice-video/
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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    Then he deserves to be treated the same as all the past presidents who did similar bullshit.

    How many of them have been raided?
    Of course but how do you know that he isn't? Maybe others haven't been raided because they do not have the same tenuous grip on reality* that trump seems to have.

    *my opinion

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    Because there is no valid reason ...
    You don't know that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Of course but how do you know that he isn't? Maybe others haven't been raided because they do not have the same tenuous grip on reality* that trump seems to have.
    *my opinion
    You don't know that.
    You don't know that there is.
    But somehow you trust the gov't?
    what about the FBIs behavior towards Trump in the last 7 years warrants that trust FJ?
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    Default Hunter Biden Breathes Sigh Of Relief As FBI Raid Team Passes By His House On Way to M

    I find it most annoying personally, and figure it can do nothing but help Trump, that someone I REALLY dislike is victimized by a weaponized Dem bureaucracy. Once again proving Dems are stupid. They probably just bought Trump a few hundred thousand more votes with this heavy-handed overreach.

    And remember that server in Hillary Clinton's linen closet? Not even an investigation. I usually hate seeing this word because it has been watered down by over-and-mis-use, but this is outrageous.

    https://babylonbee.com/news/hunter-b...-to-mar-a-lago
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    You don't know that there is.
    But somehow you trust the gov't?
    what about the FBIs behavior towards Trump in the last 7 years warrants that trust FJ?
    Thus my initial question and the operative word...

    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    What if he did it?
    Who said I trusted the government? The only thing that we should have trust in is the process. The process here, presumably, involves a judge who signs off on the search warrant.

    There's a whole lot of conclusion jumping going on here. And as Gunny is pointing out the whole thing will probably completely backfire unless the whole thing is solid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Thus my initial question and the operative word...



    Who said I trusted the government? The only thing that we should have trust in is the process. The process here, presumably, involves a judge who signs off on the search warrant.

    There's a whole lot of conclusion jumping going on here. And as Gunny is pointing out the whole thing will probably completely backfire unless the whole thing is solid.
    I'm beginning to question the process. When it looks, smells and quacks like a partisan duck ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    I'm beginning to question the process. When it looks, smells and quacks like a partisan duck ...
    Fair point. The problem being if we no longer have the process we no longer have anything. Considering that Republicans control the majority of the state governorships, majority of state legislatures, hopefully soon to be Senate and House, and hopefully the POTUS in two more years, and the SCOTUS is conservative leaning... I think it best to trust the process and less to bow to the trump cult.
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    where's the attention?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Of course but how do you know that he isn't? Maybe others haven't been raided because they do not have the same tenuous grip on reality* that trump seems to have.

    *my opinion
    You and a lot of people have thought Trump was crazy for believing Obama's government was spying on him. It's been proven. And you still think he's losing a grip on his sanity because he believes they are still after him.

    Yeah, you also, over the last 2.5 years, alluded to the fact that the doctors who were against the vaccine and for ivermectin, hydroxy and other proven therapies for covid were quacks and spreading misinformation and conspiracies. How did that hold up for you?

    Not everything is a conspiracy just because it doesn't agree with your narrative.

    BTW ... I still believe the election was stolen and I'm pretty sure I still have a good grip on my sanity. Do you really think millions of people in the US are losing their grip on their sanity just because they believe the government today is corrupt? That it's the persecution of Trump without any evidence that might cause us to think the democrats and rhinos are trying to frame him for something? They know he is a political powerhouse they can't control and want to make sure he can't be president again. And it's not because he's losing his grip. It's because they know he can't be influenced or bought.

    BTW ... if you think Biden is a better choice and has full control of his faculties you're losing your grip on your sanity.

    *my opinion.

    A question for you. What do you think the FBI agents were looking for when they went through Melania's closet. Confidential white house documents? Or grasping for straws?

    The FBI have a ton more info on Biden and his son Hunter's corruption and potential treason than anything they'll find on Trump and yet here we are still trying to frame political opponents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    You and a lot of people have thought Trump was crazy for believing Obama's government was spying on him. It's been proven. And you still think he's losing a grip on his sanity because he believes they are still after him.

    Yeah, you also, over the last 2.5 years, alluded to the fact that the doctors who were against the vaccine and for ivermectin, hydroxy and other proven therapies for covid were quacks and spreading misinformation and conspiracies. How did that hold up for you?

    Not everything is a conspiracy just because it doesn't agree with your narrative.

    BTW ... I still believe the election was stolen and I'm pretty sure I still have a good grip on my sanity. Do you really think millions of people in the US are losing their grip on their sanity just because they believe the government today is corrupt? That it's the persecution of Trump without any evidence that might cause us to think the democrats and rhinos are trying to frame him for something? They know he is a political powerhouse they can't control and want to make sure he can't be president again. And it's not because he's losing his grip. It's because they know he can't be influenced or bought.

    BTW ... if you think Biden is a better choice and has full control of his faculties you're losing your grip on your sanity.

    *my opinion.

    A question for you. What do you think the FBI agents were looking for when they went through Melania's closet. Confidential white house documents? Or grasping for straws?

    The FBI have a ton more info on Biden and his son Hunter's corruption and potential treason than anything they'll find on Trump and yet here we are still trying to frame political opponents.
    A stellar, on the mark post, I go. Always awes me. that many people let hatred and politics rule over common sense and intellect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    You and a lot of people have thought Trump was crazy for believing Obama's government was spying on him. It's been proven. And you still think he's losing a grip on his sanity because he believes they are still after him.

    Yeah, you also, over the last 2.5 years, alluded to the fact that the doctors who were against the vaccine and for ivermectin, hydroxy and other proven therapies for covid were quacks and spreading misinformation and conspiracies. How did that hold up for you?

    Not everything is a conspiracy just because it doesn't agree with your narrative.

    BTW ... I still believe the election was stolen and I'm pretty sure I still have a good grip on my sanity. Do you really think millions of people in the US are losing their grip on their sanity just because they believe the government today is corrupt? That it's the persecution of Trump without any evidence that might cause us to think the democrats and rhinos are trying to frame him for something? They know he is a political powerhouse they can't control and want to make sure he can't be president again. And it's not because he's losing his grip. It's because they know he can't be influenced or bought.

    BTW ... if you think Biden is a better choice and has full control of his faculties you're losing your grip on your sanity.

    *my opinion.

    A question for you. What do you think the FBI agents were looking for when they went through Melania's closet. Confidential white house documents? Or grasping for straws?

    The FBI have a ton more info on Biden and his son Hunter's corruption and potential treason than anything they'll find on Trump and yet here we are still trying to frame political opponents.
    I did? That might be news to me. It also might be news that I think trump is crazy; I've called him many things but not sure crazy was in the mix.

    I didn't realize you were going to roll in 2.5 years of frustrations into this thread because there are other threads out there. Now if you're done putting words in my mouth... because I'm quite content with my positions of late which might not always be correct but I'm willing to be proven wrong. If only we could all say the same.
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