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    Default Ivermectin Miracle Not-Heard Around The World: The Success of Uttar Pradesh - Part 3

    The Miracle Not-Heard Around The World: The Success of Uttar Pradesh - Part 3
    While Uttar Pradesh was "quietly" eradicating COVID, India adopted ivermectin nationally to combat the disastrous Delta wave. The impact of that decision is the world's 2nd biggest criminal secret.

    Pierre Kory, MD, MPA


    In Part 1 and Part 2, I laid out the structure, function, and escalation of Uttar Pradesh’s (UP) “Test, Track, and Treat”(TTT) Program, which achieved what was essentially a zero infection rate across the state by September of 2021. In this post, I present what was happening at the Federal level in India during the time that UP was eradicating COVID.

    India’s Federal COVID Response

    Although I will denounce some aspects of corruption by the Federal Health Agencies in India by the end of this post, I have to give the “Indian Feds” credit for having started out on the right foot in early 2020. They, like UP, started with a goal of trying to protect the country’s population by investigating the use of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) in prevention and treatment for COVID.

    Already by March of 2020, the Indian Council for Medical Research (ICMR), an advisory of leading medical centers and central government hospitals, issued a recommendation for the use of HCQ in prevention for Health Care Workers (HCW) across the country. Further, the prestigious All India Institute of Medical Science (AIIMS) even suggested its use in treatment while also indicating that ivermectin could be used as an alternative! Check it out:

    Can Ivermectin be used for COVID patients?
    Ivermectin has been found to be a potent inhibitor of SARS CoV2 replication in vitro, but the doses required to achieve this effect in vivo far exceeds the usual dose. It is currently not recommended in the national guidelines but can be used in patients in whom HCQ is contraindicated (September 2020. AIIMSeICUsFAQs01SEP.pdf)

    What isn’t funny is how they arrived at that suggestion despite including one of the more famous disinformation narratives against ivermectin that circled the globe, you know the one about how effective concentrations would be unobtainable in humans. Paul Marik, Andrew Hill, and I presented data from Caly and Wagstaff of Monash University which debunked that narrative in January 2021 to the NIH treatment Guidelines Panel. Apparently they never saw fit to share it with the world.

    Contrast India’s bold moves above with what the United States of Pharma (USOP) was doing in response to COVID. The US Feds very quickly started pulling some of their first blatantly corrupt moves, likely sparked by the fear of the consequences of the world’s second most populated country deciding to deploy, gasp.. generic, repurposed drugs to combat the pandemic.

    In retrospect, Fauci’s actions are horrifying (again, he effectively controls the FDA, CDC, and NIH). One week later, on March 28, 2020, the CDC issued a Health Advisory warning of the dangers of HCQ use (they employed this identical disinformation tactic 18 months later against ivermectin). Then two weeks after that, the CDC went further and removed their prior “soft” recommendation for HCQ with the statement: “there are no drugs or other therapeutics approved by the US Food and Drug Administration to prevent or treat COVID-19.”

    It should go without saying to readers of my Substack that the PFDA (remember, the P is not a typo) does not guide the practice of medicine, a sleight of hand trick the CDC uses often. There is no requirement for the PFDA to “approve” any medicine for use in COVID that has already been granted PFDA approval previously for another condition. Well, at least that was the rule until HCQ and IVM came along threatening Big Pharma’s entire vaccine and therapeutics market for COVID. The bulletins above then influenced all the Medical Associations, Medical Boards, and Pharmacy Boards into scaring physicians and pharmacists across the land into stopping prescribing and/or filling two of the world’s safest medications. Fortunately, in the past months, many states of the USOP have fought back against Fauci’s Federal Health Agencies, so much so that 42 of 50 states have either active, pending, or passed legislation protecting physicians and pharmacists to talk about and/or prescribe and fill repurposed medications to treat COVID.

    The USOP did not stop there. The CDC’s criminal actions were followed a week later by the PFDA posting this bulletin cautioning against use “outside of the hospital setting.” This move was historic to me personally, because it was the first time in the pandemic that I was shocked by the supposed idiocy of U.S. federal therapeutics policy. I thought, “man are they being stupid, anyone knows that if an antiviral is going to work, it has to be given within the first days of illness. Why would they restrict it to the hospital’s hyper-inflammatory phase, where live virus is present in so few?”

    It didn’t take me too long to realize that their policies were, rather than “stupid,” instead wickedly malevolent in clearing the new, global marketplace for their wares. It was the direct cause of the ensuing humanitarian catastrophe. We now know that had they gone “all in” on early treatment like UP, many hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved in the U.S. alone and it would have prevented them from pulling off the devastatingly lethal vaccine fraud.

    These nonsensical and corrupt federal policy pronouncements were then followed by what I would learn in time to be the standard pattern of Big Pharma Disinformation campaigns. Major media articles and medical journal publications began to appear, cautioning and/or attacking decisions like India’s. Here is one in the Indian Journal of Medical Ethics. These “cautioning” types of articles, trying to dissuade the empirical use of safe, promising, repurposed drugs during a public health catastrophe, shocks me to this day. In my recent post on the fraudulent TOGETHER ivermectin trial, I gave similar examples in relation to ivermectin.

    In contrast to the USOP, the prestigious ICMR quickly conducted a trial of HCQ in prevention and found it reduced infection rates by up to 80%. They began exporting it to many countries around the world and were still recommending it in June of 2020. However, by July, the ICMR was starting to get cold feet, as detailed in this article, triggered when the WHO started publishing their fraudulent hospital trials on HCQ.

    The Delta Wave Hits

    The Delta wave starts to wreak havoc in India beginning February of 2021. The crisis leads television broadcasts and newspaper headlines across the world. So what did India’s Federal Agencies do in response to this historic crisis? They again did the right thing! On April 22nd, the Ministry of Health, the prestigious All India Institute of Medical Science (AIIMS) and Indian Council for Medical Research (ICMR) updated the national COVID-19 treatment protocol. The new protocol recommended Ivermectin and budesonide for all patients with a mild case of COVID.

    For the enemies of ivermectin (which are many), this was NOT good. Again, the world’s 2nd largest country recommending ivermectin to over a billion people? This absolutely freaked out the WHO as I will detail below (it should go without saying that the WHO is controlled by and effectively represents Big Pharma and Bill Gates).

    Get this, they even recommended it for 3-5 days! ...


    long article more at link...

    https://pierrekory.substack.com/p/th...=twitter&sd=pf
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    Covid cases and deaths in Uttar Pradesh seem to track other districts and India as a whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Covid cases and deaths in Uttar Pradesh seem to track other districts and India as a whole.
    You missed the point. Ivermectin was relegated to the disinformation black hole even though it was proven to be effective against covid.

    Of course anyone who had stock in pharmaceuticals wouldn't want this info to be publicized to the general public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Covid cases and deaths in Uttar Pradesh seem to track other districts and India as a whole.
    FYI

    "...In Part 1 and Part 2, I laid out the structure, function, and escalation of Uttar Pradesh’s (UP) “Test, Track, and Treat”(TTT) Program, which achieved what was essentially a zero infection rate across the state by September of 2021. In this post, I present what was happening at the Federal level in India during the time that UP was eradicating COVID...."

    Part 1

    Part 2
    It is proper to take alarm at the first experiment on our liberties. The freeman of America did not wait till usurped power had strengthened itself by exercise, and entangled the question in precedents. James Madison
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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    You missed the point. Ivermectin was relegated to the disinformation black hole even though it was proven to be effective against covid.

    Of course anyone who had stock in pharmaceuticals wouldn't want this info to be publicized to the general public.
    I thought the point was Ivermectin's effectiveness against covid which might be suspect if other Indian states and India as a whole tracked with similar results without the same TTT/Ivermectin program.

    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    FYI

    "...In Part 1 and Part 2, I laid out the structure, function, and escalation of Uttar Pradesh’s (UP) “Test, Track, and Treat”(TTT) Program, which achieved what was essentially a zero infection rate across the state by September of 2021. In this post, I present what was happening at the Federal level in India during the time that UP was eradicating COVID...."

    Part 1

    Part 2
    Did you know that Uttar Pradesh has administered 345 million covid vaccine shots in a population of 200 million? 145 million second doses apparently. Nevertheless how do UP's results track against other parts of India that did not have the same program especially those with the same percentage of rural population?
    "when socialism fails, blame capitalism and demand more socialism." - A friend
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    I thought the point was Ivermectin's effectiveness against covid which might be suspect if other Indian states and India as a whole tracked with similar results without the same TTT/Ivermectin program.


    Did you know that Uttar Pradesh has administered 345 million covid vaccine shots in a population of 200 million? 145 million second doses apparently. Nevertheless how do UP's results track against other parts of India that did not have the same program especially those with the same percentage of rural population?
    Did you know that the covid shots wear off quickly
    and people around the world with covid shots still got invected and sick with delta?

    Also people with natural immunity were better off than those with the vaccines
    ...At the very least, the results of the study are good news for patients who have already successfully battled COVID but show the challenge of relying exclusively on immunizations to move past the pandemic.
    "This analysis demonstrated that natural immunity affords longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization due to the delta variant," the researchers said.
    Unfortunately, the study also showed that any protection is time-limited. Protection offered by natural infection wanes over time, just like the protection afforded by vaccines: The risk of a vaccine-breakthrough delta case was 13x higher than the risk of developing a second infection when the original illness occurred during January or February 2021. That's significantly more than the risk for people who were ill earlier in the outbreak...



    Israel among the highest vaccinated in the world

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...?sref=i4qXzk6d

    FJ did you read parts 1 2 & 3 or are you just spitballing rebuttals?
    Last edited by revelarts; 08-15-2022 at 08:11 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Did you know that the covid shots wear off quickly
    and people around the world with covid shots still got invected and sick with delta?

    Also people with natural immunity were better off than those with the vaccines



    FJ did you read parts 1 2 & 3 or are you just spitballing rebuttals?
    A better rebuttal would have been that vaccination rates were still pretty low in India when delta was at its peak. But right, vaccinations aren't perfect and natural immunity is great if you can get it.

    I was trying to pick my way through those links but it's pretty much a waste of time because there's so much garbage and bias (United States of Pharma USOP ) to try and wade through that any valid information gets lost. I'm not even sure you read the whole thing because it compared four different Indian states with Ivermectin usage and infection rates, etc. which would have countered my initial comment of UP vs. the rest of India. In my opinion though his comparison doesn't hold up because he used two rural biased examples of "success" against two urban biased examples of "failure." He also didn't track the follow through of the delta wave through those districts which would have shown a similar steep drop of infections after the peak of the wave. The fact that he cherry picked his graph and didn't show the follow through infection rate data that is readily available more than a year after delta that it speaks to either his bias, agenda, or ignorance. Nevertheless it didn't seem like Ivermectin usage had any effect on the outcomes.

    Now I could have posted some fact checker that said a similar thing, causation/correlation, but I know that would not have been taken very well. So, was that a "spitballed" rebuttal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    ..
    I was trying to pick my way through those links but it's pretty much a waste of time because there's so much garbage and bias (United States of Pharma USOP ) to try and wade through that any valid information gets lost. ..
    Folks only get lost if they don't want to see it.
    take the meat and leave the bones if you're honest
    but don't pretend that the datas not there FJ.


    but OK I get it, you don't the the messengers style (or premise) so you're not listening.
    no worries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Folks only get lost if they don't want to see it.
    take the meat and leave the bones if you're honest
    but don't pretend that the datas not there FJ.


    but OK I get it, you don't the the messengers style (or premise) so you're not listening.
    no worries.
    There was so little meat that it all seemed like gristle. But way to completely ignore the specific reasons I had for not putting any stock in the final product. My job requires me to be independent, objective, and unbaised and I'm trying to put that into play here as well. There might be data but that doesn't mean the conclusion proves the premise.

    But maybe I should ask; 1. Where was I wrong in what I pulled out? and 2. Which data point(s) have you independently verified?
    Last edited by fj1200; 08-15-2022 at 03:45 PM.
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