How we got herd immunity wrong

[revelarts]

How we got herd immunity wrong
https://www.statnews.com/2022/03/25/...mmunity-wrong/

[Gunny]

How we got herd immunity wrong
https://www.statnews.com/2022/03/25/...mmunity-wrong/

Who's "we"?

[SassyLady]

Who's "we"?

The medical experts.

[fj1200]

How we got herd immunity wrong
https://www.statnews.com/2022/03/25/...mmunity-wrong/

Herd immunity was always our greatest asset for protecting vulnerable people, but public health failed to use it wisely.
In March 2020, not long after Covid-19 was declared a global public health emergency, prominent experts predicted that the pandemic would eventually end via herd immunity. Infectious disease epidemiologist Michael Osterholm, who advised President Biden, opined in the Washington Post that even without a vaccine, SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, would eventually “burn itself out as the spread of infection comes to confer a form of herd immunity.” The best strategy, he reasoned, was to “gradually build up immunity” by letting “those at low risk for serious disease continue to work” while higher-risk people sheltered and scientists developed treatments and, hopefully, vaccines.
Experts in the United Kingdom also spoke early on of herd immunity acquired through infection as a protective force that would ultimately end the epidemic. Planning on SARS-CoV-2 eventually becoming endemic, epidemiologist Graham Medley suggested that the U.K.’s initial strategy should be to “manage this acquisition of herd immunity and minimise the exposure of people who are vulnerable.” The U.K.’s chief scientific adviser, Patrick Vallance, explained that the goal was to flatten the curve and “build up some kind of herd immunity” in order to “protect those who are most vulnerable to it.”

Isn't that what happened?

[SassyLady]

Isn't that what happened?

Eventually. Could have been done sooner following the Barrington model but Fauci and Collins squashed it because it didn't fit their narrative of needing to sell the vaccine.

[Gunny]

Isn't that what happened?

Herd immunity is a theory that in practice does not work. It relies to much on selfless human beings (an oxymoron these days especially in our selfish society) doing what is best for the society as a whole rather than placing their own bullshit first.

In theory, only those who cannot be vaccinated are not. Those that are ill actually self-isolate instead of running to a hospital (or WalMart) to spread the virus indiscriminately because no one counts but "I/Me".

It's the same problem with most theories. They theory is fine until it runs into Man.

[SassyLady]

Herd immunity is a theory that in practice does not work. It relies to much on selfless human beings (an oxymoron these days especially in our selfish society) doing what is best for the society as a whole rather than placing their own bullshit first.

In theory, only those who cannot be vaccinated are not. Those that are ill actually self-isolate instead of running to a hospital (or WalMart) to spread the virus indiscriminately because no one counts but "I/Me".

It's the same problem with most theories. They theory is fine until it runs into Man.

Yep! That's me! Selfish little bitch just going about my business thinking everyone should have the freedom to vaccinate or not. I did place my own bullshit first and, I'm OK with that.

[revelarts]

How Amish Communities Became The First To Achieve Covid "Herd Immunity" Without Higher Death Rate, Shutdown, Masks, Or Vaccines

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi..._may_2020.html

"Full Measure" host Sharyl Attkisson traveled to Lancaster, Pennsylvania to see how Amish communities handled Covid-19 without electricity or television.
"There's no evidence of any more deaths among the Amish than in places that shut down tight— some claim there were fewer here. That’s without masking, staying at home, or" vaccines, Attkisson reported.
"Oh, we're glad all the English people got their Covid vaccines. That's great," one man said. "Because now we don't have to wear a mask, we can do what we want. So good for you. Thank you. We appreciate it. Us? No, we're not getting vaccines. Of course not. We all got the Covid, so why would you get a vaccine?"

Amish community in Lancaster County reaches herd immunity from COVID-19, medical center says
https://www.fox29.com/news/amish-com...al-center-says

Experts at a New Holland Borough Healthcare Center said around 90% of households dealt with at least one coronavirus case after churches reopened last year.
They said those households are now immune to the virus.

those selfish Amish

[revelarts]

Published recently in the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM),
a study led by Massachusetts-based physician-scientists leads to a disturbing discovery:
individuals fully vaccinated and boosted against COVID-19 actually recover markedly more slowly from the illness and surprisingly,
even remain contagious for lengthier periods of time as compared to unvaccinated persons.
While the study didn’t investigate implications associated with illness severity, the findings nonetheless raise significant questions for consideration.
This study was approved by the institutional review board and the institutional biosafety committee at Mass General Brigham,
and informed consent was obtained from all the participants. The takeaway from this study could be profound
should the results scale out to larger cohorts. People that are vaccinated remain five times as contagious
as those who are unvaccinated ten days after SARS-CoV-2 infection.
Put another way, the vaccinated continue to transmit the disease significantly more than the unvaccinated should the data hold up across broader investigation.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2202092

Large Israeli study: Natural immunity provides 13 times more protection against Delta than Pfizer's vaccine does
https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2021/...e-does-n411863

...The surprise came when they compared the vaccinated group to the infected but unvaccinated group. Some scientists have speculated that vaccine immunity is actually superior to natural immunity in the belief that the shots produce a more diverse array of antibodies than infection does. That’s not what the Israelis found. Not only is natural immunity superior, it’s no contest. Especially in the age of Delta:...

[Gunny]

Yep! That's me! Selfish little bitch just going about my business thinking everyone should have the freedom to vaccinate or not. I did place my own bullshit first and, I'm OK with that.

I addressed a theory and how it theoretically works, and practically does not. I did not address anyone nor their motives, to include my own.

[fj1200]

Eventually. Could have been done sooner following the Barrington model but Fauci and Collins squashed it because it didn't fit their narrative of needing to sell the vaccine.

Yeah, that doesn't exactly follow. Barrington was mostly about segregating the most vulnerable. A major part of their argument was that lockdowns had a more detrimental effect on the health of some than the lockdowns prevented from covid. Barrington is also not anti-vaccine.

Herd immunity is a theory that in practice does not work. It relies to much on selfless human beings (an oxymoron these days especially in our selfish society) doing what is best for the society as a whole rather than placing their own bullshit first.

In theory, only those who cannot be vaccinated are not. Those that are ill actually self-isolate instead of running to a hospital (or WalMart) to spread the virus indiscriminately because no one counts but "I/Me".

It's the same problem with most theories. They theory is fine until it runs into Man.

I don't think so. As much as the population is "immune" from the flu we can be "immune" from covid. We develop anti-bodies and over time our risk from contracting is minimized.

[Gunny]

Yeah, that doesn't exactly follow. Barrington was mostly about segregating the most vulnerable. A major part of their argument was that lockdowns had a more detrimental effect on the health of some than the lockdowns prevented from covid. Barrington is also not anti-vaccine.



I don't think so. As much as the population is "immune" from the flu we can be "immune" from covid. We develop anti-bodies and over time our risk from contracting is minimized.

Sure. "As much as we are immune from the flu". We aren't. They still roll out the fly shots every year. Those flu shots are now sold as "will lessen the severity of the symptoms, not prevent. It was originally sold as preventive, same as the COVID vaccine; which, is now sold as: "will lessen the severity of the symptoms".

The theory of "herd immunity" was/is sold as preventive. Theories are great. Hear the one about "the Big Bang"? Despite science, something is created from nothing.

Not that it will shock you, but MY theory is politicians used "herd immunity" as fast and loose as they used lockdowns, masks and vaccines. Pandering to fear without a clue.