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    Default Ivermectin doesn’t improve recovery much, clinical trial finds

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    Disagree.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8248252/

    Conclusions:

    Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    Disagree.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8248252/

    Conclusions:

    Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.
    Is this the same one you linked to before?

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    Your study is a bit old (2021) plus it seems that there may be some problems with conflicts of interest and methodology. Neverthless here is another study from around the same time frame that came to a different conclusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Is this the same one you linked to before?
    It doesn't matter fj .. it is still a scientific study. It's an example of how information from studies can be diametrically opposite.

    The one posted earlier is from Duke University.

    The latest trial looked at 817 people who took ivermectin tablets for three days and compared them to 774 who received a placebo. The participants who took ivermectin received a daily dose based on their weight. Recovery from Covid was defined as three consecutive days without symptoms.
    This study is on the NIH website.

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    We searched bibliographic databases up to April 25, 2021. Two review authors sifted for studies, extracted data, and assessed risk of bias. Meta-analyses were conducted and certainty of the evidence was assessed using the GRADE approach and additionally in trial sequential analyses for mortality. Twenty-four randomized controlled trials involving 3406 participants met review inclusion.
    Rev and I have posted several links to studies that support ivermectin but you continue to buy the party line because you want everyone to be vaccinated.

    I took ivermectin because my doctor recommended it. You probably got vaccinated because your doctor recommended it. Our choice is our choice based upon how much trust we have in our sources. If you think you're more protected by putting an experimental drug in your body then more power to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    It doesn't matter fj .. it is still a scientific study. It's an example of how information from studies can be diametrically opposite.

    The one posted earlier is from Duke University.



    This study is on the NIH website.


    Rev and I have posted several links to studies that support ivermectin but you continue to buy the party line because you want everyone to be vaccinated.

    I took ivermectin because my doctor recommended it. You probably got vaccinated because your doctor recommended it. Our choice is our choice based upon how much trust we have in our sources. If you think you're more protected by putting an experimental drug in your body then more power to you.
    You presume an awful lot. But some food for thought; not all studies are good studies and it seems I've been chided for cherry picking in the past. Hmmm... kind of like looking at a 6 or a 9 and disagreeing with the person opposite you.
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    It didn't improve my recovery I don't think. I still think people should have had access to it if they wanted to try it.

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    Fauci says 'don't take it', so I'm thinking folks should take it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    You presume an awful lot. But some food for thought; not all studies are good studies and it seems I've been chided for cherry picking in the past. Hmmm... kind of like looking at a 6 or a 9 and disagreeing with the person opposite you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    It didn't improve my recovery I don't think. I still think people should have had access to it if they wanted to try it.
    It improved my recovery because it was used for what it is designed for. I had a bacterial infection and it's an antiparasitic. I won't bother looking it up, but it's been known for decades antibiotics are worthless against viruses.

    As far as people being able to waste their money and time on a drug that doesn't work? To each his/her own. Got better things to do than pull some random medication out of thin air because I don't like what's offered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    It improved my recovery because it was used for what it is designed for. I had a bacterial infection and it's an antiparasitic. I won't bother looking it up, but it's been known for decades antibiotics are worthless against viruses.

    As far as people being able to waste their money and time on a drug that doesn't work? To each his/her own. Got better things to do than pull some random medication out of thin air because I don't like what's offered.
    Did you try it for covid Gunny? How do you know it doesn't work? I used it. It worked. I think I have a more personal experience than you did. For me it was not a waste of money or time.

    And, I think I probably know way more people than you who have used it and had positive results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    Did you try it for covid Gunny? How do you know it doesn't work? I used it. It worked. I think I have a more personal experience than you did. For me it was not a waste of money or time.

    And, I think I probably know way more people than you who have used it and had positive results.
    Nope. I got vaccinated and didn't get COVID

    The fact that you didn't die from COVID is not proof Ivermectin did anything. It just means you got well.

    Again, it is medical/scientific fact antibiotics (which anti-fungals and anti-parasite are) do not work on viruses. Don't know what else to tell you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Nope. I got vaccinated and didn't get COVID

    The fact that you didn't die from COVID is not proof Ivermectin did anything. It just means you got well.

    Again, it is medical/scientific fact antibiotics (which anti-fungals and anti-parasite are) do not work on viruses. Don't know what else to tell you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    You're the one.
    When you take a shot at me and leave an opening?

    I don't know that the vaccine protected me anymore than Sassy knows that Ivermectin cured her. THOSE are the actual facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Nope. I got vaccinated and didn't get COVID

    The fact that you didn't die from COVID is not proof Ivermectin did anything. It just means you got well.

    Again, it is medical/scientific fact antibiotics (which anti-fungals and anti-parasite are) do not work on viruses. Don't know what else to tell you.

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    You're right. Ivermectin didn't cure the virus. It kept the virus from getting worse. Same thing the untested vaccine was supposed to do.

    How is Ivermectin thought to work on COVID-19?

    • For the SARS-CoV-2 virus to make you sick, it has to first infect your cells.
    • Then while inside the cell, the virus makes heaps of copies of itself, so it can spread around your body.
    • The virus also has ways of reducing the way your body fights the infection.
    • During the infection of the cell, some viral proteins go into the cell nucleus, and from here they can decrease the body’s ability to fight the virus, which means the infection can get worse.
    • To get into the nucleus the viral proteins need to bind a cargo transporter which lets them in.
    • Ivermectin may block the cargo transporter, so the viral proteins would not be able to get into the nucleus. This is how some scientists think Ivermectin may work against SARS-CoV-2 virus.
    • By taking Ivermectin, it is thought that the body can fight the infection like normal, because its antiviral response will not have been reduced by the viral proteins.
    Hey .. as I said before .. different people have different sources they trust. Our doctors.
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    FYI
    Dr Kory reviews the trail of suppression of life saving information.

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    The Publication of Fraudulent Ivermectin Trials by the High Impact Medical Journals - Part 1
    While censoring positive studies of ivermectin, the journals published fraudulent studies to try to "prove" ivermectin was ineffective. It is a well-known Disinformation tactic called "The Fake."

    Ok, so where were we? Oh yeah, I recently covered the rejections and retractions of positive ivermectin studies by the Editorial Mafia that control the high-impact medical journals. Now let’s go over the trials that they did publish on ivermectin. Note the very first play from the Disinformation Playbook, a tactic created and perfected by the Tobacco Industry over decades:
    ....
    Big Pharma learned from Big Tobacco that you can prevent ivermectin science from emerging by censoring the “inconveniently positive” studies while only publishing “conveniently negative” studies, you could destroy the idea that repurposed drugs are effective in the pandemic. I have said it many times but never have two generic drugs (HCQ and IVM) presented a greater threat to their goals and profits within the largest new marketplace that has ever been created for their products. ...

    ...

    https://pierrekory.substack.com/p/th...ent-ivermectin
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