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To Christians (that means libs need to not post please )
Most Christians have been tought to believe there is a "heaven" awaiting them after they die. I'd like to see scripture to back that up. Doesn't it make more sense that the "heaven or paradise" Christ talks about is the ultimate restoration of an "eden-type" utopia? Wasn't it God's intention all along to have Adam live forver here on a perfect Earth? - if so, when did that plan change?
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I am more of a Christian than you will ever be. Because I love my neighbor. Obviously you don't.
Christianity is more than just talk. It is actions. You can quote scripture all your want. But until you can chunk your hate and animosity, you are not a true Christian.
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For startersOriginally Posted by -Cp
Revelation 21:1-4 Speaks of heaven
Revelation 21:5 Speaks of the restoration of Eden. Then it goes back to speaking about heaven.
I'll need to go get my Bible...............
Salvation is what we receive; not achieve.
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Dude - please just shush. You have no business replying in this thread.
“… the greatest detractor from high performance is fear: fear that you are not prepared, fear that you are in over your head, fear that you are not worthy, and ultimately, fear of failure. If you can eliminate that fear—not through arrogance or just wishing difficulties away, but through hard work and preparation—you will put yourself in an incredibly powerful position to take on the challenges you face" - Pete Carroll.
God is with Us
Well, I was going to post a few verses from the Bible that spoke about Heaven. I went to Biblegateway.com and searched on "heaven". There are 25 pages of references so, rather that search through all of that, I am going to be lazy and give you the URL: www.biblegateway.com
From there do a search heaven and there will be my answers.
Immie
PS I know you could figure that our by yourself, but I really was going to post a few references and then realized I didn't have time so I will let you do it yourself for me.
Last edited by Immanuel; 10-08-2007 at 01:49 PM.
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During His crucifixion, Jesus said to the thief who professed his faith,
"Today shalt thou be with me in paradise"
After the game, the king and the pawn go into the same box - Author unknown
“Unfortunately, the truth is now whatever the media say it is”
-Abbey
God is with Us
But, couldn't paradise be either Heaven or Eden here on Earth?
Immie
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It couldn't be "Eden on Earth", if he was going to join Him that very day, as Jesus clearly stated.
After the game, the king and the pawn go into the same box - Author unknown
“Unfortunately, the truth is now whatever the media say it is”
-Abbey
Hahaha! LULzzzzz
Ooh, now Christianity is an exclusive club that you're not allowed in if you vote Democrat. You guys are sad.
God is with Us
Sure it could.
If I am not mistaken, God stated that he put an angel with a flaming sword between man and Eden. He did not state that Eden had been removed from the Earth. Now, I know this is stretching it but is it not possible that Eden still exists in some fashion on Earth today but in our sin we are just too blind to see it?
Please note: I am not espousing this as a theory by any stretch of the imagination. I believe he spoke of Paradise being Heaven. But there is no guarantee that my understanding is completely accurate. God's word is, but my understanding is limited.
Immie
God is with Us
I for one do not subscribe to that belief.
Immie
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I suppose that if one wants to, one can come up with a sorts of torturous ways of interpreting words. Certainly it is done today with the Constitution.It is wholly rational and reasonable to take the words "this day" and "Paradise" together to equal something not of this world.
After the game, the king and the pawn go into the same box - Author unknown
“Unfortunately, the truth is now whatever the media say it is”
-Abbey
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He wrote "liberal", numnuts...
“… the greatest detractor from high performance is fear: fear that you are not prepared, fear that you are in over your head, fear that you are not worthy, and ultimately, fear of failure. If you can eliminate that fear—not through arrogance or just wishing difficulties away, but through hard work and preparation—you will put yourself in an incredibly powerful position to take on the challenges you face" - Pete Carroll.
Advocate for Liberty
If he is a Christian, why shouldn't he be able to post?
"I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? - Barry Goldwater
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However, some liberals are Christians -- therefore, it's pretty dumb to not ask certain Christians not to answer this question regarding Christianity.He wrote "liberal", numnuts...
"I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? - Barry Goldwater
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