Arizona becomes epicenter of GOP challenges to 2022 election

[Gunny]

I'm not sure this is helping the conservative cause.


https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...2022-election/

[SassyLady]

I'm not sure this is helping the conservative cause.


https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...2022-election/

I'm here on the ground in Arizona and I've been distrustful of Maricopa voting procedures since 2016. They have not cleaned it up and need to get better control so these "mishaps" don't happen.

Ask yourself why the last few election cycles take so long as to be one of the last counties in the country to finish the count.

Hard to believe something/someone isn't corrupt or inept. Or both.

[BoogyMan]

The conservative cause, in this case, has got to stand up and shout "ENOUGH!!"

Katie Hobbs behaved as if she knew there would be a predetermined outcome to the race and refused to recuse herself from the oversight of the race she was running in. Setting aside the glaring conflicts of interest those items pose, the fact that the early voting in AZ which favored the Democrats went off without a hitch in Maricopa county and the very day that the election was to take place where concerned RNC voters were to bring in their mailed ballots over 20% of the voting machines in the largest county in AZ failed. This required the voter to drop their ballots into the now famous drawer 3 which allowed the folks running the election to then mix untabulated ballots in with tabulated ballots effectively making those ballots disappear.

This garbage has to stop. We either stand up and stop it now or when?

Are the candidates perfect? No! Do the people of AZ deserve to have bottom-feeding pieces of crap like Katie Hobbs and Bill Gates decide their elections FOR them? No!

It would seem that the only real remedy would be a re-run of the election in Maricopa county that takes place on paper ballots that are counted in a single day under the watchful eyes of all interested parties. Will it happen? Who knows. Americans don't seem to have an appetite for honesty or justice any longer as long as the tribal elders of whatever groups scream the loudest are satisfied.

Egads....what have we become.

I'm not sure this is helping the conservative cause.


https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...2022-election/

[Gunny]

I'm here on the ground in Arizona and I've been distrustful of Maricopa voting procedures since 2016. They have not cleaned it up and need to get better control so these "mishaps" don't happen.

Ask yourself why the last few election cycles take so long as to be one of the last counties in the country to finish the count.

Hard to believe something/someone isn't corrupt or inept. Or both.

The conservative cause, in this case, has got to stand up and shout "ENOUGH!!"

Katie Hobbs behaved as if she knew there would be a predetermined outcome to the race and refused to recuse herself from the oversight of the race she was running in. Setting aside the glaring conflicts of interest those items pose, the fact that the early voting in AZ which favored the Democrats went off without a hitch in Maricopa county and the very day that the election was to take place where concerned RNC voters were to bring in their mailed ballots over 20% of the voting machines in the largest county in AZ failed. This required the voter to drop their ballots into the now famous drawer 3 which allowed the folks running the election to then mix untabulated ballots in with tabulated ballots effectively making those ballots disappear.

This garbage has to stop. We either stand up and stop it now or when?

Are the candidates perfect? No! Do the people of AZ deserve to have bottom-feeding pieces of crap like Katie Hobbs and Bill Gates decide their elections FOR them? No!

It would seem that the only real remedy would be a re-run of the election in Maricopa county that takes place on paper ballots that are counted in a single day under the watchful eyes of all interested parties. Will it happen? Who knows. Americans don't seem to have an appetite for honesty or justice any longer as long as the tribal elders of whatever groups scream the loudest are satisfied.

Egads....what have we become.

I'll have to get back to this one after I write the novel

My comment and point is, this particular *plan* ain't working. Challenge the outcome of an election where a Dem wins and the MSM, left in general, current administration and the bureaucracy are ALL on the same page when it comes to painting you a paranoid, conspiracy theorist, rightwing nut job 24/7, interjecting it even when it's non sequitur and having the sheeple believe it. "Election denier".

Perhaps something or anything different than pointing a finger and crying fraud if you lose? Looks bad out of the gate. Every time they say "Prove it" you lose.

All of the aforementioned live off of and are the government. Deep State. The Mob. Whatever you want to call it at whatever level. When rightwingers go back to work after each election where do all these election officials go? Nowhere. They're at their job. All anybody on the right has to do is prove it.

I myself and having a hard time reconciling poll after poll after poll leading up to an election says red wave and the actual results are WAY different. While I can lay some of the blame for that on Trump, I'm not buying the whole hog.

All we have to do is beat the system

[BoogyMan]

What we have to do is demand better. I don't mind coming right out and saying it. Katie Hobbs should be arrested over what was done in AZ and so should Bill gates and the AZ Election Supervisors group who have now signed on as her transition crew. The same bunch who ran what is being called an anti-MAGA PAC.

This was no accident. This was not a mistake. This was slow walked fraud.

[SassyLady]

What we have to do is demand better. I don't mind coming right out and saying it. Katie Hobbs should be arrested over what was done in AZ and so should Bill gates and the AZ Election Supervisors group who have now signed on as her transition crew. The same bunch who ran what is being called an anti-MAGA PAC.

This was no accident. This was not a mistake. This was slow walked fraud.

Thank you.

[Gunny]

What we have to do is demand better. I don't mind coming right out and saying it. Katie Hobbs should be arrested over what was done in AZ and so should Bill gates and the AZ Election Supervisors group who have now signed on as her transition crew. The same bunch who ran what is being called an anti-MAGA PAC.

This was no accident. This was not a mistake. This was slow walked fraud.

As far as I know, the people did demand better. What they got instead was a choice between bought and paid for Laurel and Hardy candidates. Unimpeachable, tactically sound technically proficient candidates' overwhelming victories aren't left to the whims of a corrupt system.

[BoogyMan]

The people have seen a night and day difference in the vote handling between the DNC heavy and GOP heavy vote times as well as the way the responses to the aftermath have been handled. Did the people demand better? I don't see it.

We are seeing a complacent and powerless electorate shrug their shoulders and yawn while a greasy corrupt system tells them they are filth for even considering the idea there might have been fraud.

As far as I know, the people did demand better. What they got instead was a choice between bought and paid for Laurel and Hardy candidates. Unimpeachable, tactically sound technically proficient candidates' overwhelming victories aren't left to the whims of a corrupt system.

[Gunny]

The people have seen a night and day difference in the vote handling between the DNC heavy and GOP heavy vote times as well as the way the responses to the aftermath have been handled. Did the people demand better? I don't see it.

We are seeing a complacent and powerless electorate shrug their shoulders and yawn while a greasy corrupt system tells them they are filth for even considering the idea there might have been fraud.

I recall having this discussion a time or two over the years and I used to think there was a chance the people might fight back against a system corrupt from head to toe when they've had enough. Then, I modified my argument to when they finally have had enough it's going to be too late.

Not only do I now believe it is too late, but I doubt other than isolated people who will be branded outlaws and crazies will actually even try and fight back. The only thing that defeats a bureaucracy that is imbedded in everything in everyone's lives from head to toe is when it finally destroys itself. The current situation is unsustainable. Democracy is not what usually comes out the other end. Anarchy followed by a strong enough totalitarian regime to stop it is.

The only question here is how long?

[BoogyMan]

FraudZona certified their election today by threatening the county supervisors. The supervisors were told to vote FOR certification or be arrested and charged with a felony.

https://twitter.com/KariLakeWarRoom/...1DcWoG5VX2hMfA

There is nothing normal about what is going on in AZ.

[Gunny]

FraudZona certified their election today by threatening the county supervisors. The supervisors were told to vote FOR certification or be arrested and charged with a felony.

https://twitter.com/KariLakeWarRoom/...1DcWoG5VX2hMfA

There is nothing normal about what is going on in AZ.

What felony?

[SassyLady]

What felony?

LEVEL 6. Obstruction maybe?

https://www.rsbnetwork.com/news/kati...overnors-race/

[Gunny]

LEVEL 6. Obstruction maybe?

https://www.rsbnetwork.com/news/kati...overnors-race/

If my job is to ensure everything is kosher and I believe it is not, they can go F*ck themselves before I'd certify sh*t. They can threaten away. All this proves to me is that the responsibility that goes with the job is "do as I say or else".

I of course would expect to see a legit reason with evidence which we know isn't happening.

Maybe I could get Rona or Mitch to throw some legal fees my way

[fj1200]

What felony?

I'm going to guess state law governs here.

[Gunny]

I'm going to guess state law governs here.

Possibly. My point is that I see no point to "certification" if it's a rubber stamp on command. The whole point to certification is verification.