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    Default Unforgivable breach of Man Code

    Has anyone ever heard of, A MAN CODE??

    C.W. Nevius

    Saturday, February 3, 2007

    When the Gavin Newsom scandal broke, most of us assumed the public reaction would be a no-brainer. Sleeping with a married woman? How do you think that would play with wives, girlfriends and single women in the Bay Area?

    As a Newsom staffer told a Chronicle reporter, there goes the women's vote.

    But a funny thing happened after the headlines hit and the buzz began: Many women said they were ready to forgive and forget.

    Not men, though. No way. Many said they would never trust Newsom again as long as they lived. Some were livid; many were incredulous.

    The difference? Apparently it is the Man Code, a set of rigid but unwritten boundaries over which no man may step. Break the Man Code, and you're toast.


    "It's a huge betrayal," sputtered Jason Mundstuk, 67, a business owner from Oakland who got upset just talking about it. "It's big. It's mythical."

    C'mon, you say, what is this, a TV beer commercial? Evidently not. These guys were dead serious. Make no mistake -- having an affair with the wife of a trusted male colleague is an irrevocable Man Code violation.

    "Hello?" wrote Mike Mulholland, 43, who grew up in the Bay Area before moving to San Diego County. "Newsom slept with his friend's wife. What if he stole from a friend? Or tried to frame a friend? Would that also be nobody's business?"

    OK, haven't we heard this before? After all, Bill Clinton had his indiscretions with Monica Lewinsky. Former San Jose Mayor Ron Gonzales had a relationship with a 25-year-old member of his staff. So when news of Newsom's affair broke, the reaction of some women was: Are we supposed to be surprised by this?

    "I feel like it's the norm now," said 19-year-old Jackie Abramo, who was having lunch with friends at Westfield San Francisco Centre on Friday. "I think it is sad, but it is almost expected."

    Expected? The norm? Don't tell the men that.

    "When you talk about things that are as low as you can go, without being criminal, this is it," said C.J. Keane, 43, of San Francisco. "Clinton, Gonzales, none of those guys are at this level. (Newsom) slept with the wife of a friend. Are you kidding me?"

    It seems that what is at work here is another case in which women are from Venus and men are from the mysterious, dark side of the moon.

    "There is a code that men live by," says family therapist Tracey Gersten, a woman. "Women may not know about it, or they may pooh-pooh it, but it is very real. I think if you put a group of men in a room, they'd have no trouble putting a man code together."

    They certainly didn't have any trouble coming together on this one. When I wrote a column earlier this week suggesting that many San Franciscans were ready to let the mayor move on, my e-mail box filled up with men who disagreed. So did The Chronicle's voice-mail system. Most of the men who called to react to this week's scandal were upset with the mayor, while most of the women weren't.

    Some of the responses were a little off-the-wall. One woman called in to say she thought Newsom campaign manager Alex Tourk, who quit over the incident, should consider it a compliment that "his wife was worth such flattering attention." But several of the women who called said we were making too much of this indiscretion. It happens, they said.

    But not in the Man Code world. The reaction from men was loud and clear.

    "The betrayal is the big thing," said Colin Hussey, 44, who was among those who wrote me. "Good God, this is your loyal ally. It is that sense of honor. It's like the samurai or even the mafia."

    Contrast that with someone like Erika Von Taube. She was visiting from San Diego, but she spoke for many women who didn't see what the fuss was about.

    "Who a politician is sleeping with is none of my business," Von Taube said Friday. "I would absolutely vote for him if he was doing a good job."

    Chris Lehane, a consultant who worked for Clinton and other top Democrats, says the split isn't a total surprise. Although he stresses that gender generalizations are always dangerous, he thinks some trends do emerge.

    "The reality is that men tend to be less forgiving and more ideologically conservative," Lehane says, "while women tend to be more sensitive to human foibles. We see in the poll numbers that women are more likely to come back and be supportive than men."

    That's certainly what the mayor's staff is counting on. Newsom's chief political strategist, Eric Jaye, says that while there may be a great deal of reaction now, the mayoral race in November won't turn on the scandal.

    "When we leap forward to November, the issues will be what they always are," Jaye says. "Are the buses running on time, and are we still filling those potholes?"

    But, I asked Jaye, what about the Man Code?

    "We did not consult the Man Code," he said.

    Well, all right. But you've been warned.
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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
    Tullius Cicero (106-43 BC)

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephanie View Post
    Has anyone ever heard of, A MAN CODE??

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    Yes, I've heard of it and "It's big. It's mythical."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. P View Post
    Yes, I've heard of it and "It's big. It's mythical."
    Man, I'm behind in the REAL WORLD...Must be because I live in Alaska....I'm outta touch..
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
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    Quote Originally Posted by stephanie View Post
    Man, I'm behind in the REAL WORLD...Must be because I live in Alaska....I'm outta touch..
    well steph, up there everyones a man. Aren't they?

    Time for me to go to bed now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. P View Post
    well steph, up there everyones a man. Aren't they? ev:

    Time for me to go to bed now.


    I hope those bedbugs don't bite you where.....................................it hurts...
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
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    Quote Originally Posted by stephanie View Post


    I hope those bedbugs don't bite you where.....................................it hurts...
    Me too..

    Hey, I’m a puss when it comes to cold.. I could deal with the light 24/7, but not the dark 24/7.

    Then ya never know, someday I may just head thata way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. P View Post
    Me too..

    Hey, I’m a puss when it comes to cold.. I could deal with the light 24/7, but not the dark 24/7.

    Then ya never know, someday I may just head thataway.

    Night.
    Let me know if ya ever want to visit...I'd be glad to show you some down home Hospitality....
    Of course the best time to visit up here is in the summer...
    There's a lot of gorgeous places to see here...More-so down south from where I live....But it is beautiful....
    Hey, we were at 45 above today, IN FEBUARY........
    That dang global warming hit us good, and we are all loving it.........
    We've also gained a 1/1/2 hours of daylight since the winter solstice......Yee haa
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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
    Tullius Cicero (106-43 BC)

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    Steph...what part of Alaska do you live? I tried talking my wife into moving there...but that was a no go!! Hahaha I still wouldnt mind doing it.

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    I have morals and yes, not boffing my best friends wife/girlfriend would be a no no.

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    The liberal mayor of San Francisco is expected to comply with the Man Code?
    America: White people footing the bill for a party they're not allowed to attend.

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    never heard of 'man code', but there is a term that i hear on a local FM talk station KTLK, specifically Dan Conry's show, called 'ManLaw'.

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    gavin newsom a man....yea right.....

    "I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is."

    ~Albert Camus

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    There are men in san fransico?
    When I die I'm sure to go to heaven, cause I spent my time in hell.

    You get more with a kind word and a two by four, than you do with just a kind word.

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    Well, we can deny it or not, but it seems to me that most men feel a certain possessiveness about their womenfolk. It's natural. Hopefully not taken so far as to be domineering, but it is natural.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nienna View Post
    Well, we can deny it or not, but it seems to me that most men feel a certain possessiveness about their womenfolk. It's natural. Hopefully not taken so far as to be domineering, but it is natural.
    All women should bow at my feet!!!

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