Coca-Cola insider warns Watters of 'shameful' practices from big food, big pharma

[Kathianne]

I think it's safe to say where processed foods are concerned you and I are probably NOT the target audience

I know. Though I have noticed that when even 'junk and drive thru' grown ups are given real food and find out how easy it is to make, they usually want to learn. I find it so weird that there are families who actually eat out most meals. They know everything on every menu from every drive thru.

My youngest son's wife-she of Notre Dame law, was raised on such diet. Mind you, I don't think I'll argue that this stuff will make you dumb, but I KNOW it won't make you smart. She, like my son, has always been long distance runner and soccer players. However, she has suffered from many injuries, has lots of digestive issues. Never ate vegetables. Seriously. While they were dating, my son would try to get her to try some better restaurants, but she didn't like all the sauces and that veggies were 'everywhere!' So, he'd order a salad or just a drink and eat when he got home.

Once they moved in together, he started cooking. He told her she was free to eat whatever she wanted, but his body could not eat that food very often. Slowly she started trying some of what he made. Then he asked her to find some recipes they could make together. Now it's over 10 years, she has totally changed to cooking from her own garden as much as possible. Last year was first for them being out of a condo into house. This year was better. We swap recipes.

She has converted her sister and brother to the same, her parents just don't get it. Needless to say, they're a couple years older than me, but have trouble getting around. Health isn't good. Seems to me it's hard enough getting old, without doing what you can as far as nourishing and moving.

Kids raised on good food, don't choose junk in long term. I don't' think any food should be forbidden, it only makes one oppositional. LOL!

[Gunny]

I know. Though I have noticed that when even 'junk and drive thru' grown ups are given real food and find out how easy it is to make, they usually want to learn. I find it so weird that there are families who actually eat out most meals. They know everything on every menu from every drive thru.

My youngest son's wife-she of Notre Dame law, was raised on such diet. Mind you, I don't think I'll argue that this stuff will make you dumb, but I KNOW it won't make you smart. She, like my son, has always been long distance runner and soccer players. However, she has suffered from many injuries, has lots of digestive issues. Never ate vegetables. Seriously. While they were dating, my son would try to get her to try some better restaurants, but she didn't like all the sauces and that veggies were 'everywhere!' So, he'd order a salad or just a drink and eat when he got home.

Once they moved in together, he started cooking. He told her she was free to eat whatever she wanted, but his body could not eat that food very often. Slowly she started trying some of what he made. Then he asked her to find some recipes they could make together. Now it's over 10 years, she has totally changed to cooking from her own garden as much as possible. Last year was first for them being out of a condo into house. This year was better. We swap recipes.

She has converted her sister and brother to the same, her parents just don't get it. Needless to say, they're a couple years older than me, but have trouble getting around. Health isn't good. Seems to me it's hard enough getting old, without doing what you can as far as nourishing and moving.

Kids raised on good food, don't choose junk in long term. I don't' think any food should be forbidden, it only makes one oppositional. LOL!

Definitely on the "oppositional". To this day, my BIGGEST diet issue is Coca Cola. If we got a Coke once a year when I was kid, you put it on a doily, candles around it and took little baby sips. I exaggerate, but you get the idea. Once I could afford my own, it was on

My kids are fast food all the time. Five grandkids and all with extracurricular activities plus Ashley's a teacher. It's about the time, and I think it was about the time when I was younger too. I ate a lot of fast food when I worked as an electrician. Ten hour days, 5-6 days a week. Who wants to cook? I still don't like spending the time.

As you say, long-term, especially older, I need nutrition. Junk food doesn't provide that and it messes up my gut anymore. I can eat anything in moderation, but if I have to do a couple of days of crap, my body gets all out of sorts. Working out usually 1-1 1/2 hours a day, junk won't support it. I'll be out of energy by 3PM and dragging around.

Then there's what comes out your pores when you sweat. You are what you eat and smell like it too

[Kathianne]

Definitely on the "oppositional". To this day, my BIGGEST diet issue is Coca Cola. If we got a Coke once a year when I was kid, you put it on a doily, candles around it and took little baby sips. I exaggerate, but you get the idea. Once I could afford my own, it was on

My kids are fast food all the time. Five grandkids and all with extracurricular activities plus Ashley's a teacher. It's about the time, and I think it was about the time when I was younger too. I ate a lot of fast food when I worked as an electrician. Ten hour days, 5-6 days a week. Who wants to cook? I still don't like spending the time.

As you say, long-term, especially older, I need nutrition. Junk food doesn't provide that and it messes up my gut anymore. I can eat anything in moderation, but if I have to do a couple of days of crap, my body gets all out of sorts. Working out usually 1-1 1/2 hours a day, junk won't support it. I'll be out of energy by 3PM and dragging around.

Then there's what comes out your pores when you sweat. You are what you eat and smell like it too

Crockpot and Instant Pot are your friends. LOL! Stir frys are quicker than running to drive thru. It's a matter of getting the right foods and appliances/pans in the house. I do know my grandkids do not 'crave' fast food, indeed they will say that they need 'real food.' Doesn't mean they never get it, but as you said, for them it's a 'treat' one usually craved when they have friends in the car too!

[Kathianne]

It's likely rev has already posted this, but I didn't find it. It seems to me that more info is needed, but I can't say I'm surprised. I alluded to this yesterday when I said that I'm going to more 'natural' food outlets, because I can pick out my own items, by number and appearance. No plastic bags or boxes for the most part. Yes, they are there for berries, but not for tomatoes other than cherry type. :

https://www.sciencealert.com/scienti...n-human-bodies

Scientists Find 3,600 Food Packaging Chemicals in Human BodiesHealth
18 September 2024
ByDaniel Lawler, AFP
Gloved hands holding plastic wrapped food
(Monty Rakusen/Getty Images)



More than 3,600 chemicals used in food packaging or preparation have been detected in human bodies, some of which are hazardous to health, while little is known about others, a study published on Tuesday said.


Around 100 of these chemicals are considered to be of "high concern" to human health, said lead study author Birgit Geueke from the Food Packaging Forum Foundation, a Zurich-based NGO.


Some of these chemicals are relatively well-studied and have already been found in human bodies, such as PFAS and bisphenol A – both of which are the target of bans.


But little is known about the health effects of others, Geueke told AFP, calling for more research into how chemicals used in packaging end up being swallowed along with food.


The researchers had previously catalogued around 14,000 food contact chemicals (FCCs), which are capable of "migrating" into food from packaging made of plastic, paper, glass, metal or other materials.


They can also come from other parts of the food-making process, such as from conveyor belts or kitchen utensils.


The researchers then searched for these chemicals in existing biomonitoring databases, which track chemicals in human samples.


The team was expecting to find a few hundred FCCs, Geueke said. Instead, they were surprised to find 3,601 – a quarter of all the known FCCs.


Geueke emphasised that this study could not show that all these chemicals necessarily ended up in bodies from food packaging, as "other exposure sources are possible".


Among the "high concern" chemicals were numerous PFAS, also known as forever chemicals, which have been detected in many parts of the human body in recent years and linked to a range of health problems.


Also detected was bisphenol A, a hormone-disrupting chemical used to make plastics that has already been banned from baby bottles in many countries.


Another hormone-disrupting chemical was phthalates, which has been linked to infertility.


Less is known about oligomers, which are also byproducts of plastic production.


"There is almost no evidence on the health effects of these chemicals," Geueke said.


Reduce contact with packaging
When it comes to toxicology, an old saying is that "the dose makes the poison".


A limitation of the study was that it could not say whether there were particularly high concentrations of any of the chemicals, Geueke acknowledged.


But she warned that these chemicals can interact with each other, pointing to a single sample that had up to 30 different PFAS.


Geueke recommended that people reduce their contact time with packaging – and to avoid heating up food in the packaging it came in.


Duane Mellor, an expert in evidence-based medicine at the UK's Aston University and not involved in the research, praised the "very thorough piece of work".


"However, it does not cover how much of these chemicals we are exposed to and hints at other sources of these chemicals in our environment," he told AFP.


Rather than being "unduly alarmed", Mellor suggested that people "demand better data and minimise unnecessary exposure to chemicals which may ultimately impact our health".


Some of the chemicals are also already facing bans.


The European Union is in the final stages of banning the use of PFAS in food packaging. The EU has also proposed a similar ban for bisphenol A from the end of this year.


The study was published in the Journal of Exposure Science and Environmental Epidemiology.

[Gunny]

It's likely rev has already posted this, but I didn't find it. It seems to me that more info is needed, but I can't say I'm surprised. I alluded to this yesterday when I said that I'm going to more 'natural' food outlets, because I can pick out my own items, by number and appearance. No plastic bags or boxes for the most part. Yes, they are there for berries, but not for tomatoes other than cherry type. :

https://www.sciencealert.com/scienti...n-human-bodies

Not sure how to get around packaging. We don't live in a hunter/gatherer society where the meals are fresh every day. Even if you live on a farm/ranch, you have to package stuff for storage.

It's part and parcel to the processed food industry. There's a list of ingredients a mile long in the product most can't spell and/or know what it is, then there's the plastic. Not a fan of plastic at all. Processed food is convenient. That's what's you're paying for. A corporation with conveyor belts to do the work for you. To turn a profit, they're going to process in a way to maximize profit, and packaging as well.

If there's one thing that'll get me going it's styrofoam and plastic water bottles and grocery bags. That's where my inner lefty kicks in. Nonbiodegradable, "disposable" packaging has zero positives except it is cheap for the industry to mass produce. There's no telling what-all chemicals that crap is made of, nor what biohazards will cling to it. It takes thousands of years for it to break down.

Not, IMO a responsible use of the resources.

[Kathianne]

Not sure how to get around packaging. We don't live in a hunter/gatherer society where the meals are fresh every day. Even if you live on a farm/ranch, you have to package stuff for storage.

It's part and parcel to the processed food industry. There's a list of ingredients a mile long in the product most can't spell and/or know what it is, then there's the plastic. Not a fan of plastic at all. Processed food is convenient. That's what's you're paying for. A corporation with conveyor belts to do the work for you. To turn a profit, they're going to process in a way to maximize profit, and packaging as well.

If there's one thing that'll get me going it's styrofoam and plastic water bottles and grocery bags. That's where my inner lefty kicks in. Nonbiodegradable, "disposable" packaging has zero positives except it is cheap for the industry to mass produce. There's no telling what-all chemicals that crap is made of, nor what biohazards will cling to it. It takes thousands of years for it to break down.

Not, IMO a responsible use of the resources.

I bring washable cloth bags for produce. I get berries need protection, weight of the same sqishes them. They used to be packed in egg carton like material with cellophane cover, as opposed to more processed plastic wrap. Seems to me the cost differences would be worth it.

[Gunny]

The article's "okay". While i may lean to the green, the process is nonetheless what it is. Just have to pick through the propaganda

The truth about processed foods' environmental impact (bbc.com)

[Gunny]

More of the same. Can't wait to see what our nanny government comes up with to do about it. Surely it will be stupid

Chemical toxins from food processing migrate into our bodies, study says | CNN

[Kathianne]

The article's "okay". While i may lean to the green, the process is nonetheless what it is. Just have to pick through the propaganda

The truth about processed foods' environmental impact (bbc.com)

I may be wrong, but the focus of this appears to be environmental impact=carbon? I'm more concerned with health and down the road medical costs.

There has to be reasons kids are going through puberty at 8 and 9 years old.

[Gunny]

I may be wrong, but the focus of this appears to be environmental impact=carbon? I'm more concerned with health and down the road medical costs.

There has to be reasons kids are going through puberty at 8 and 9 years old.

I think it's all related. I think what affects our environment affects our health and it affects what we eat, processed or not. I did note you STILL wash your organics

Anyway, it's just an FYI post. Related to but not the topic.

[Kathianne]

I think it's all related. I think what affects our environment affects our health and it affects what we eat, processed or not. I did note you STILL wash your organics

Anyway, it's just an FYI post. Related to but not the topic.

We can't feed 21st C pop. On 17th C agriculture. I know that. It's part of the reason that I'm not so quick to pohh pooh GMOs or other possible breakthroughs.

I'm more concerned about the 1st world attempt at speed and convenience on both health and environmental.