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    Default Did the Pentagon Just Make a $3 Billion Accounting 'Error' for MORE Ukrainian weapons

    Did the Pentagon Just Make a $3 Billion Accounting Error–or Did It Do Something Even Worse?
    The timing of this accounting error is suspicious.

    MAY 19, 2023 • COMMENTARY
    By Jordan Cohen and Jonathan Ellis Allen
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    This article appeared in Reason on May 19, 2023.

    The Wall Street Journal reported Thursday that the Pentagon has overcounted the value of the weapons it sent to Ukraine by at least $3 billion. The Defense Department had cited what newly produced weapons would cost, but Washington has primarily sent Ukraine older excess weapons from U.S. stockpiles.

    The Pentagon says this means it has an additional $3 billion to spend on military aid to Ukraine—spending that wouldn’t require congressional approval. While Congress has the power to set limits on the value of weapons the president can send using this method, the White House has the authority to choose which weapons to send and how to calculate their value.

    This is convenient for Kyiv, which has continued to request assistance from Washington on top of the astronomical amount of aid it has already received.

    The timing of this accounting error is suspicious.

    In March, Max Bergmann of the Center for Strategic and International Studies calculated that President Joe Biden’s available Ukraine funding would run out by October or sooner, depending on the intensity of the spring counteroffensive. But Congress—especially the Republican‐​controlled House—has grown reluctant to hand Ukraine a blank check. Since the beginning of the 118th Congress, lawmakers have pushed to add restrictions and better monitoring of weapons sent to Ukraine. The Pentagon’s accounting error frees up more money for the war, available now without any democratic debate.

    The timing of this accounting error is suspicious. Senators have been warning that Congress may not agree to a 2023 federal budget that keeps up with inflation, and some House Republicans have suggested cutting aid to Ukraine in order to counteract the rising U.S. debt and to alleviate concerns over accountability and transparency. The government may need to impose across‐​the‐​board cuts (otherwise known as sequestration) as it did when Congress failed to agree on deficit‐​reduction methods 10 years ago.

    Back then, the military used overseas contingency operations accounts—emergency funding budgeted separately from the Pentagon budget and immune from sequestration. The current emergency‐​style Ukraine funding allows the government to circumvent budgetary pressures, avoid getting caught up in issues like omnibus appropriations, and shield the aid from deficit‐​reduction spending cuts. By reapportioning the newfound $3 billion for Ukraine, the Biden administration could use emergency funding to support Kyiv unabated, even if the rest of the federal budget experiences sweeping cuts.

    And if the error isn’t deliberate? That would signal major flaws in Pentagon oversight. If around 7.5 percent of the nearly $40 billion the U.S. has committed to Ukraine was accounted for incorrectly, there are likely a litany of other financial miscalculations in the $858 billion military budget.

    Whether this $3 billion mistake is a purposeful effort to circumvent Congress or a huge accounting error, it reflects a near‐​breakdown of the democratic process for military spending.

    accounting errors.... for freedom!


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    Questioning an accounting error by Federal government personnel. Yep. That's suspicious

    Amazing how you cherry pick which Federal agencies you are willing to believe or not, depending on your narrative

    When I was at Headquarters, US Marine Corps, among the many things I was tasked with that had ZERO to do with anything I was trained for and/or necessarily good at, I handled a $13M annual budget. At no point did I have any real good idea WTF I was doing. Just followed a template and entered numbers now and then to dole out the bucks. Nobody cared.

    Point being: who is it you think lost and found this $3B in the Five Sided Puzzle Palace? Some non rate clerk, clock-punching civilian who doesn't give a shit, or some military person assigned to Headquarters because since he can shoot and lead troops in the field he must be good in an office
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Questioning an accounting error by Federal government personnel. Yep. That's suspicious

    Amazing how you cherry pick which Federal agencies you are willing to believe or not, depending on your narrative

    When I was at Headquarters, US Marine Corps, among the many things I was tasked with that had ZERO to do with anything I was trained for and/or necessarily good at, I handled a $13M annual budget. At no point did I have any real good idea WTF I was doing. Just followed a template and entered numbers now and then to dole out the bucks. Nobody cared.

    Point being: who is it you think lost and found this $3B in the Five Sided Puzzle Palace? Some non rate clerk, clock-punching civilian who doesn't give a shit, or some military person assigned to Headquarters because since he can shoot and lead troops in the field he must be good in an office
    The Pentagon has never given an accounting of the over 1 Trillion "missing" that Rumsfleid mention the the day before 911.
    (plane hit pentagon records dept the next day... no back up anywhere...ooppsies)

    But are you saying that the military doesn't know what it's doing with the money and never has so we shouldn't care WHO gets the billions they spend?
    Really?
    Can I get in that line?


    hmm, I'm thinking maybe we should "Defund the Military" a lil bit,
    Since they are so piss poor at handling funds.
    If they had FAR less money they would probably be FAR more careful on who's handling the books & how it's spent, right?
    Last edited by revelarts; 05-30-2023 at 09:44 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    The Pentagon has never given an accounting of the over 1 Trillion "missing" that Rumsfleid mention the the day before 911.
    (plane hit pentagon records dept the next day... no back up anywhere...ooppies)

    But are you saying that the military doesn't know what it's doing with the money and never has so we shouldn't care WHO gets the billions they spend?
    Really?
    Can I get in that line?


    hmm, I'm thinking maybe we should "Defund the Military" a lil bit,
    Since they are so piss poor at handling funds.
    If they had FAR less money they would probably be FAR more careful on who's handling the books & how it's spent, right?
    I've stated countless times the military in DC is more political than military. Guess you only see it when it suits you I hated working there. I wanted to leave while I was still checking in. One goes where the Corps says it needs one to go.

    Defunding the military wouldn't solve the problem, just run a shiver down your leg from that hard on you have against the military. The establishment military in DC is part of the establishment government in DC. You don't want to solve the problem - just chase irrelevant rabbits.

    The military works for the government. I walked into a system in place and my job was to maintain and not upset that system. I did my job. That's what the military does.

    The operational military is underfunded, if anything. Try defunding a bunch of pointless, duplicate programs and jobs in the government. That would correct the military by default. Big picture vs rabbit hole.
    Last edited by Gunny; 05-29-2023 at 05:40 PM.
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