Page 4 of 5 FirstFirst ... 2345 LastLast
Results 46 to 60 of 72
  1. #46
    Join Date
    Mar 2023
    Posts
    1,859
    Thanks (Given)
    241
    Thanks (Received)
    113
    Likes (Given)
    10
    Likes (Received)
    81
    Piss Off (Given)
    1
    Piss Off (Received)
    8
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    0

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Been done, you look for it.

    no it hasn't.

  2. #47
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    In your head
    Posts
    23,996
    Thanks (Given)
    4255
    Thanks (Received)
    4611
    Likes (Given)
    1438
    Likes (Received)
    1105
    Piss Off (Given)
    0
    Piss Off (Received)
    39
    Mentioned
    47 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    9173681

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by AHZ View Post
    maybe not fully.

    but all laws are an attempt at legislating enough basic morality to have a peaceful and productive society conducive to human thriving.

    are you an anarchist?

    what are laws if not legislating a basic morality?

    Crazy nonsensical rantings from an arbitrary overlord that must be obeyed for no comprehensible reason?

    sounds like a retard society.

    keep austin weird. <--- I support this one.

    keep morality arbitrary.

    keep religion crazy.


    the separation of church and state is not intended to be a separation of humanity from morality, morality being rational.
    Laws based on morality are subjective. Laws based on violation of rights are objective.

    Anarchist is another word you probably don't know the definition of.
    "when socialism fails, blame capitalism and demand more socialism." - A friend
    "You know the difference between libs and right-wingers? Libs STFU when evidence refutes their false beliefs." - Another friend
    “Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear.” - Paulo Coelho


  3. Thanks Kathianne thanked this post
    Likes Kathianne liked this post
  4. #48
    Join Date
    Mar 2023
    Posts
    1,859
    Thanks (Given)
    241
    Thanks (Received)
    113
    Likes (Given)
    10
    Likes (Received)
    81
    Piss Off (Given)
    1
    Piss Off (Received)
    8
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    0

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Laws based on morality are subjective. Laws based on violation of rights are objective.

    Anarchist is another word you probably don't know the definition of.

    it's a moral exercize to codify the rights and protect them legally.

    we had to decide what rights are first. that's where using moral guidances comes into play.
    Last edited by AHZ; 09-05-2023 at 09:14 AM.

  5. #49
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    In your head
    Posts
    23,996
    Thanks (Given)
    4255
    Thanks (Received)
    4611
    Likes (Given)
    1438
    Likes (Received)
    1105
    Piss Off (Given)
    0
    Piss Off (Received)
    39
    Mentioned
    47 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    9173681

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by AHZ View Post
    it's a moral exercize to codify the rights and protect them legally.

    we had to decide what rights are first. that's where using moral guidances comes into play.
    Life, liberty, property doesn't require a subjective view of morality.
    "when socialism fails, blame capitalism and demand more socialism." - A friend
    "You know the difference between libs and right-wingers? Libs STFU when evidence refutes their false beliefs." - Another friend
    “Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear.” - Paulo Coelho


  6. #50
    Join Date
    Mar 2023
    Posts
    1,859
    Thanks (Given)
    241
    Thanks (Received)
    113
    Likes (Given)
    10
    Likes (Received)
    81
    Piss Off (Given)
    1
    Piss Off (Received)
    8
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    0

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Life, liberty, property doesn't require a subjective view of morality.

    right.

    they require a rational one. morality is rational.

  7. #51
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    In your head
    Posts
    23,996
    Thanks (Given)
    4255
    Thanks (Received)
    4611
    Likes (Given)
    1438
    Likes (Received)
    1105
    Piss Off (Given)
    0
    Piss Off (Received)
    39
    Mentioned
    47 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    9173681

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by AHZ View Post
    right.

    they require a rational one. morality is rational.
    You're stuck in a loop.
    "when socialism fails, blame capitalism and demand more socialism." - A friend
    "You know the difference between libs and right-wingers? Libs STFU when evidence refutes their false beliefs." - Another friend
    “Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear.” - Paulo Coelho


  8. Thanks Gunny thanked this post
    Likes Gunny liked this post
  9. #52
    Join Date
    Mar 2023
    Posts
    1,859
    Thanks (Given)
    241
    Thanks (Received)
    113
    Likes (Given)
    10
    Likes (Received)
    81
    Piss Off (Given)
    1
    Piss Off (Received)
    8
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    0

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    You're stuck in a loop.

    no i'm not.

    you can't accept the rationality of basic morality because the war machine needs constant "might makes right" ideology to keep the world violent.

  10. #53
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    In your head
    Posts
    23,996
    Thanks (Given)
    4255
    Thanks (Received)
    4611
    Likes (Given)
    1438
    Likes (Received)
    1105
    Piss Off (Given)
    0
    Piss Off (Received)
    39
    Mentioned
    47 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    9173681

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by AHZ View Post
    no i'm not.

    you can't accept the rationality of basic morality because the war machine needs constant "might makes right" ideology to keep the world violent.
    That is word salad. Really the drugs you did earlier in life, or is it earlier today, did you no good.

    I'll stipulate morality is rational. Whose morality?
    "when socialism fails, blame capitalism and demand more socialism." - A friend
    "You know the difference between libs and right-wingers? Libs STFU when evidence refutes their false beliefs." - Another friend
    “Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear.” - Paulo Coelho


  11. Thanks Gunny thanked this post
  12. #54
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    The Republic of Texas
    Posts
    48,096
    Thanks (Given)
    34501
    Thanks (Received)
    26584
    Likes (Given)
    2468
    Likes (Received)
    10083
    Piss Off (Given)
    0
    Piss Off (Received)
    12
    Mentioned
    371 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    21475528

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    That is word salad. Really the drugs you did earlier in life, or is it earlier today, did you no good.

    I'll stipulate morality is rational. Whose morality?
    Wasting your time. I walked him through it, provided links/definitions and even got him to post it correctly and he reset back to zero in this thread.
    “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke

  13. Thanks fj1200, Kathianne thanked this post
  14. #55
    Join Date
    Mar 2023
    Posts
    1,859
    Thanks (Given)
    241
    Thanks (Received)
    113
    Likes (Given)
    10
    Likes (Received)
    81
    Piss Off (Given)
    1
    Piss Off (Received)
    8
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    0

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    That is word salad. Really the drugs you did earlier in life, or is it earlier today, did you no good.

    I'll stipulate morality is rational. Whose morality?

    no it isn't.

    all cultures basic morality are similar, morality being rational, and humans being intelligent.

  15. #56
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    47,719
    Thanks (Given)
    23969
    Thanks (Received)
    17487
    Likes (Given)
    9720
    Likes (Received)
    6170
    Piss Off (Given)
    85
    Piss Off (Received)
    10
    Mentioned
    204 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    21475525

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by AHZ View Post
    no it isn't.

    all cultures basic morality are similar, morality being rational, and humans being intelligent.
    Why is there so much crime?


    "The government is a child that has found their parents credit card, and spends knowing that they never have to reconcile the bill with their own money"-Shannon Churchill


  16. #57
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    The Republic of Texas
    Posts
    48,096
    Thanks (Given)
    34501
    Thanks (Received)
    26584
    Likes (Given)
    2468
    Likes (Received)
    10083
    Piss Off (Given)
    0
    Piss Off (Received)
    12
    Mentioned
    371 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    21475528

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by AHZ View Post
    no it isn't.

    all cultures basic morality are similar, morality being rational, and humans being intelligent.
    Wrong. Go back to the thread I closed because you were trying to start a religious war on the board and re-read.

    Or is it that you just need attention that badly that your are going to have each and every person that will hold your hand and walk you through the English language and political philosophy do so?
    “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke

  17. Thanks Kathianne thanked this post
    Likes Kathianne liked this post
  18. #58
    Join Date
    Mar 2023
    Posts
    1,859
    Thanks (Given)
    241
    Thanks (Received)
    113
    Likes (Given)
    10
    Likes (Received)
    81
    Piss Off (Given)
    1
    Piss Off (Received)
    8
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    0

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Why is there so much crime?

    many people are a mix of immoral and desperate.

    the existence of morality doesn't mean everyone will be moral.

    human on human predation is a big problem, one which morality aims to solve.

  19. #59
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    47,719
    Thanks (Given)
    23969
    Thanks (Received)
    17487
    Likes (Given)
    9720
    Likes (Received)
    6170
    Piss Off (Given)
    85
    Piss Off (Received)
    10
    Mentioned
    204 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    21475525

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by AHZ View Post
    many people are a mix of immoral and desperate.

    the existence of morality doesn't mean everyone will be moral.

    human on human predation is a big problem, one which morality aims to solve.
    So not everyone is rational. Again, whose morality should be imposed?


    "The government is a child that has found their parents credit card, and spends knowing that they never have to reconcile the bill with their own money"-Shannon Churchill


  20. #60
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    In your head
    Posts
    23,996
    Thanks (Given)
    4255
    Thanks (Received)
    4611
    Likes (Given)
    1438
    Likes (Received)
    1105
    Piss Off (Given)
    0
    Piss Off (Received)
    39
    Mentioned
    47 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    9173681

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by AHZ View Post
    no it isn't.

    all cultures basic morality are similar, morality being rational, and humans being intelligent.
    When you yammer on about the war machine I know, err, feel strongly that it's a drug-induced reply.

    Again I ask, whose morality? There have been plenty of examples internationally where various cultures have different feelings about morality. We could probably think of a few domestic examples if we really tried. Abortion for one; whose morality?
    "when socialism fails, blame capitalism and demand more socialism." - A friend
    "You know the difference between libs and right-wingers? Libs STFU when evidence refutes their false beliefs." - Another friend
    “Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear.” - Paulo Coelho


Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Debate Policy - Political Forums