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    will you people be against tariffs even after society collapses?

    note that society is collapsing with globalists firmly in control..

    maybe we're not dying from globalism, but we're definitely dying with it. (we are dying from it)

    I am the science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Well worth watching. Yes, it is pretty well known how civilizations collapse, but this sums it up nicely. Yes, we are on the path, imo.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    By the numbers, right?
    An event that triggers collapse or more of a long-term collapse (see Argentina)?

    I think becoming Argentina is a more likely scenario.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    An event that triggers collapse or more of a long-term collapse (see Argentina)?

    I think becoming Argentina is a more likely scenario.

    any notion on stopping calamity?

    or is this the great cullling?

    is it just the great culling in america?

    for globalist betrayer purposes?

    all the green treaties let china pollute as much as they want.

    seems like traitorism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AHZ View Post
    any notion on stopping calamity?

    or is this the great cullling?

    is it just the great culling in america?

    for globalist betrayer purposes?

    all the green treaties let china pollute as much as they want.

    seems like traitorism.
    I don't know what goes on in your mind. My notion is liberty, small-government conservatism, etc. Stuff like that. My fear is that kids today no longer have the drive to succeed, they've been coddled by parents who want to be friends, and their minds have been enfeebled by constant communications and questionable information literally at their fingertips.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    I don't know what goes on in your mind. My notion is liberty, small-government conservatism, etc. Stuff like that. My fear is that kids today no longer have the drive to succeed, they've been coddled by parents who want to be friends, and their minds have been enfeebled by constant communications and questionable information literally at their fingertips.
    And literally spoiled 1st world. Suffering is buying ground beef instead of steak or sirloin instead of rib eye. We go vegetarian for moral signals not by necessity. It's not just kidd either. Pretty much since 1950 Americans have only cut back in degree, never to a point of pain. Certainly exceptions, but pretty few I've seen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    I don't know what goes on in your mind. My notion is liberty, small-government conservatism, etc. Stuff like that. My fear is that kids today no longer have the drive to succeed, they've been coddled by parents who want to be friends, and their minds have been enfeebled by constant communications and questionable information literally at their fingertips.

    there's a lot of good points in here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    And literally spoiled 1st world. Suffering is buying ground beef instead of steak or sirloin instead of rib eye. We go vegetarian for moral signals not by necessity. It's not just kidd either. Pretty much since 1950 Americans have only cut back in degree, never to a point of pain. Certainly exceptions, but pretty few I've seen.
    but kathianne.

    the numbers show homes out of reach for most in the upcoming generations.

    you really can't send all the jobs away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    An event that triggers collapse or more of a long-term collapse (see Argentina)?

    I think becoming Argentina is a more likely scenario.
    I'm going with the Argentina model. One of the World's strongest economies in 1900 to absolute shit. Had a very good summary of its collapse and the reasons why at one time. Think I may have posted it?

    The US as a country won't go away. We are on a slide toward totalitarianism, IMO. We already aren't even the society we were when I was a kid and it's not for the better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AHZ View Post
    but kathianne.

    the numbers show homes out of reach for most in the upcoming generations.

    you really can't send all the jobs away.
    Between my kids and nieces/nephew there are 6-all have their own homes and have for 3 years or more. It can be done, those that don't aren't planning or trying.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Between my kids and nieces/nephew there are 6-all have their own homes and have for 3 years or more. It can be done, those that don't aren't planning or trying.

    right.

    more blame the victim.

    were people just lazy during the great depression?

    so bidenomics is a success, and losers are the problem. biden 2024 eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    I'm going with the Argentina model. One of the World's strongest economies in 1900 to absolute shit. Had a very good summary of its collapse and the reasons why at one time. Think I may have posted it?

    The US as a country won't go away. We are on a slide toward totalitarianism, IMO. We already aren't even the society we were when I was a kid and it's not for the better.
    I'm guessing tariffs were in there. They also had a lot of populists running around in the early 1900s. Those two go hand-in-hand.

    https://read.dukeupress.edu/hahr/art...tina-1916-1930
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    The wheels starting to come off.

    Quote Originally Posted by AHZ View Post
    but kathianne.

    the numbers show homes out of reach for most in the upcoming generations.

    you really can't send all the jobs away.
    Good thing we're not.

    Quote Originally Posted by AHZ View Post
    right.

    more blame the victim.

    were people just lazy during the great depression?

    so bidenomics is a success, and losers are the problem. biden 2024 eh?
    No, but someone thought tariffs were a good idea. And sometimes the "victim" doesn't plan very well.

    Let the car crash begin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    The wheels starting to come off.



    Good thing we're not.



    No, but someone thought tariffs were a good idea. And sometimes the "victim" doesn't plan very well.

    Let the car crash begin.

    tariffs were not the cause of the great depression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AHZ View Post
    tariffs were not the cause of the great depression.
    Sorry to burst your bubble but a wave of global protectionism pretty well crushed the global economy. Not that there weren't other things going on.

    https://www.npr.org/2018/04/05/59970...s-horror-story

    Not to mention the collapse of Smoot-Hawley opposition tying to the stock market collapse in Oct '29.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Sorry to burst your bubble but a wave of global protectionism pretty well crushed the global economy. Not that there weren't other things going on.

    https://www.npr.org/2018/04/05/59970...s-horror-story

    Not to mention the collapse of Smoot-Hawley opposition tying to the stock market collapse in Oct '29.

    it was due to overheated overspeculation on the markets due to fiat currency insanity.

    tariffs had little to do with it.

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