Russian troops withdraw from Norway border in drop since start of Ukraine war

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Hitler bought into his own invincible propaganda and foolishly opened the unnecessary Barbarossa front. He could have won one or the other, but not both simultaneously.

The people believing that Putin will be appeased by handing him large swaths of Ukraine would do well to revisit Chamberlain's foolish attempt to appease Hitler. Putin will not stop until he achieves his goal of rebuilding the USSR and he needs to lose here and now.

But as far as Ukraine goes, they have no choice. They have to fight for their homeland. The war will end when Putin withdraws from Ukraine's 2014 borders.

As far as we're concerned, 5% of our military budget to defeat Russia with no boots on the ground is a very good deal for us. Ukraine is winning, slowly but surely. It's no blitzkrieg but they are retaking their land and bleeding Russia dry.

You know things are desperate when Putin has to withdraw 80% of his troops from the NATO borders, begs Iran & North Korea (LOL!) for military assistance, is already down to 1950s T-55 replacement armor, loses multiple warships to a country with no navy, purges his military in paranoia after killing off the commanders of the only half-assed mercenary outfits that did any sort of winning on the battlefield, has supplied us with working examples of every modern toy except the SU-57 Felon & T-14 - and that's because they're vaporware: they don't actually exist except in mock-up examples, the Ruble and economy in tatters, and knowing for certain that the next round of conscription will trigger mass unrest and another mass exodus.

Oh, and let's not forget that the invincible Kinzhal 'hypersonic' missile designed to deliver nukes with impunity is easily intercepted by our Patriot system and is sporting a zero success rate since the Patriots arrived. Putin had the designers arrested for treason over that.

Russia will lose militarily, but it's a toss up as to if Putin can last that long. When Bakhmut is retaken, there's going to be a political reckoning - and I expect that's about a month out.

The F-16s will remove the Russian KA-52s from play, which is the main factor slowing down Ukraine because they target the mine clearing vehicles and personnel. The ATACMS will compliment the Storm Shadows in isolating Crimea & blowing up command centers, ammo dumps and supplies.

One the KA-52s are removed, the Abrams, Leopards, Challengers, Bradleys and the rest of donated Western armor can go to work. I'm looking forward to seeing another 73 Easting battle unfold as our armor faces off with the subpar Soviet crap.

Russia went from the 2nd best army in the world to the 2nd best army in Ukraine in the space of 18 months, fighting on their own border. They're a laughingstock and a shadow of the former Soviet Union.

It's money well spent, and we need to see this through.

This time, though, when Russia collapses and splinters into a dozen or more small countries, the west has to be ready to support them and their independence - and remove their nukes. The world will be a better place without Russia in it. A bunch of small and squabbling mini-Russias are a lot better than an internationally mischievous united Russia.

So true about Russia in WW2. If Germany had not fought Russia, We lose the big one, we lose WW2. Sad but true.--Tyr

[NightTrain]

So true about Russia in WW2. If Germany had not fought Russia, We lose the big one, we lose WW2. Sad but true.--Tyr

I still think we would have won, but at a much higher cost in blood & treasure.

I think that because we achieved air superiority and once the bombings of their war infrastructure started, the end was inevitable. But achieving that would have been much more difficult with a focused and local Luftwaffe busy defending and even counterattacking air bases in England.

I suppose with an extended timeline, a nuke would have come into play... and that takes the fight right out of aggressive dictators. Germany would have folded like Japan did.

I wonder if the French would have been on board with a Fat Man being dropped on Paris while it was still a German stronghold? Lose one city to get the rest back... that would be a pretty awful decision.

[Gunny]

I still think we would have won, but at a much higher cost in blood & treasure.

I think that because we achieved air superiority and once the bombings of their war infrastructure started, the end was inevitable. But achieving that would have been much more difficult with a focused and local Luftwaffe busy defending and even counterattacking air bases in England.

I suppose with an extended timeline, a nuke would have come into play... and that takes the fight right out of aggressive dictators. Germany would have folded like Japan did.

I wonder if the French would have been on board with a Fat Man being dropped on Paris while it was still a German stronghold? Lose one city to get the rest back... that would be a pretty awful decision.

It may have taken a nuke if Hitler had all his forces massed around the French coast. Overlord would most likely not have gone as it did.

Speaking of nukes, that's an elephant in the room no one's mentioned. Putin still has them. He just left most of them 20% guarded Wondering at what point he starts waiving that sword around again.

[NightTrain]

It may have taken a nuke if Hitler had all his forces massed around the French coast. Overlord would most likely not have gone as it did.

Yeah, for sure it would have been a lot bloodier and the outcome questionable.

Speaking of nukes, that's an elephant in the room no one's mentioned. Putin still has them. He just left most of them 20% guarded Wondering at what point he starts waiving that sword around again.

When our bumbling fool showed up over there in Kiev recently, Putin gave the order to launch a "test firing" of a missile to scare Biden - but it malfunctioned. Kind of embarrassing and the wrong message to have delivered.


Those things require a lot of maintenance and it's staggeringly expensive. No one knows how many would actually launch and detonate, but the failure rate would be pretty high. Still, even one would be too many, of course.

He'd never do it. He's already an international fugitive wanted by the ICC. It would be pretty cool to have his midget ass stuffed in a sack and handed over to the Polish border guards by one of his Generals to get him out of the way for the new government... there's a lot more war crimes than he's officially got now. That would send a wholesome message to other dictators around the world.

Saddam's and Gaddafi's fate scared all of them, but another Nuremberg would put the fear of God into them. If Russia's dictator can be tried for war crimes, then any of them can.