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    Default WTH Was Up With Stealthy F-35?

    I guess a better question, what's up with the pilot?

    https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2023/09...d-f-35-n579010

    Okay, let's talk about that missing/crashed F-35JAZZ SHAW 9:21 AM on September 19, 2023

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    The Marines aren’t answering any additional questions, of course, citing the need to maintain the integrity of the ongoing investigation. That’s not satisfying anyone following the story, though. So what happened in the moments after the “anomalous event” that caused all of this? Before proceeding, I will include my usual reminder that though I spent quite a few years on aircraft carriers nosing around (older, non-stealth) fighter jets, I have never flown one. But other people who are pilots were offering some of the same questions.


    With that said, the pilot executed what seemed like an awfully curious series of steps prior to exiting the aircraft. Hank Bergeron confirmed them on Twitter.




    Who punches out of an aircraft that is still not only capable of flight but can be put into autopilot mode and continue flying? (Apparently for quite some time.) And why in the world would you shut off your transponder before exiting, whether the craft was flightworthy or not? Disabling the transponder not only makes the pilotless plane even more of a potential air safety hazard, but it clearly makes the already stealthy craft even harder to locate. That just feels as if it had to have been done intentionally.


    This left some of us speculating as to whether the pilot was looking to ditch the plane, perhaps even in a place where some adversary might be able to recover it. Thankfully, that doesn’t seem to have turned out to be the case, but it’s still more than a little peculiar. One other theory (this one put forward by my wife) was that the pilot was simply an extreme version of the wacky JetBlue flight attendant who famously grabbed a beer and jumped out of his plane’s emergency exit, but nobody in his chain of command saw it coming. (Here’s to hoping that wasn’t the case this time.)


    Perhaps there is a more logical explanation. If the F-35 was experiencing what appeared to be a more severe malfunction, safety protocols may have dictated a rapid exit even if the plane turned out to be able to continue flying. It seems unlikely to this layman, but I’m not the expert here. But if not, it definitely sounds as if that pilot will be answering a lot of questions during his ongoing debrief sessions. Those planes cost $80 million each and they contain some of our most advanced technology that would be invaluable to our adversaries. You don’t abandon one lightly.


    Perhaps we’ll learn the answers to these questions when the investigation is complete. Then again, given the secrecy surrounding the entire program, we may never be told anything more and the incident will eventually fall down the memory hole. But it certainly spiced up an otherwise drab news cycle on Monday. While it was unfolding, the usual crew on social media was having fun with the event, including one person who quickly claimed to have not only found the jet but had put it up for sale on Craigslist. I’ll confess that I got a chuckle out of that one.

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    The plane was on the verge of being self aware and wanted to identify as a Transformer. No word on if the pilot resembled Keanu Reeves and needed to be dispatched with prejudice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    I guess a better question, what's up with the pilot?

    https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2023/09...d-f-35-n579010
    Can offer only this perspective: Most Marine pilots are serious, usually functional alcoholics. The rest are pretty insane. They were always doing crazy crap but usually kept it minor crap. Like flying so low one pilot was clipping radio antennas off Jeeps. Or, as I had the "good fortune" of experiencing, doing a complete loop in a Huey, even though it is scientifically aerodynamically impossible Never got in a bird with that particular Major again

    What went wrong was probably between his ears and no one's going to get an answer unless he gives one.

    SOP will be to ground the entire Marine Aviation program until everyone receives counselling on "not doing it" and signs a Page 11 entry acknowledging they understand. Cuz that always works
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Can offer only this perspective: Most Marine pilots are serious, usually functional alcoholics. The rest are pretty insane. They were always doing crazy crap but usually kept it minor crap. Like flying so low one pilot was clipping radio antennas off Jeeps. Or, as I had the "good fortune" of experiencing, doing a complete loop in a Huey, even though it is scientifically aerodynamically impossible Never got in a bird with that particular Major again

    What went wrong was probably between his ears and no one's going to get an answer unless he gives one.

    SOP will be to ground the entire Marine Aviation program until everyone receives counselling on "not doing it" and signs a Page 11 entry acknowledging they understand. Cuz that always works
    Sounds like top gun movie for hueys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Or, as I had the "good fortune" of experiencing, doing a complete loop in a Huey, even though it is scientifically aerodynamically impossible Never got in a bird with that particular Major again
    My first Journeyman as an apprentice was a Huey pilot in the reserves. Really nice guy.

    He told me that you can do a loop, but in every case the main rotors have to be replaced because they overstress while performing that maneuver and are not flightworthy after the fact. So, those loops were always forbidden unless the Brass wanted to impress a visiting Senator or VIP because of the major expense involved fixing the helo after.

    I always suspected that there were many more loops executed than reported, though. If Airwolf can do it, so can I!
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    Some of those memes are pretty funny out there. Usually accompanied by some Woke snark and mission priorities. I'd say there's some Marine COs having a real bad day answering questions.

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    Why am I reminded of fort hood? Should I be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    Why am I reminded of fort hood? Should I be?
    Certainly wasn't a massacre. Could he be an enemy? I guess, though seems pretty ineffective, other than cost of plane.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    Why am I reminded of fort hood? Should I be?
    You mean as a sleeper agent to steal the plane? I don't know man, F-35 pilots are the very best and very carefully selected. Every pilot wants to fly that one.

    Weird that the transponder was disengaged, and in non-combat configuration they're normally fitted with a few Luneburg Lens around yhe fuselage so ATC and other aircraft can see them on radar. Those can't be jettisoned in flight, only removed from the ground.

    Sounds like it was in stealth mode, given that they had no idea where it crashed after he punched out. The only scenario I can think of is that they were doing training and he was the aggressor pilot to train the other pilots/ground crews how to counter a stealth fighter like a J-20 or SU-57, even though both of those are much inferior planes - but if you can counter an F-35, the others will be easy.

    The only guy I know of that can steal a stealth fighter is Clint when he stole the MiG-31.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightTrain View Post
    The only guy I know of that can steal a stealth fighter is Clint when he stole the MiG-31.
    What about this guy?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defect...Viktor_Belenko

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightTrain View Post
    You mean as a sleeper agent to steal the plane? I don't know man, F-35 pilots are the very best and very carefully selected. Every pilot wants to fly that one.

    Weird that the transponder was disengaged, and in non-combat configuration they're normally fitted with a few Luneburg Lens around yhe fuselage so ATC and other aircraft can see them on radar. Those can't be jettisoned in flight, only removed from the ground.

    Sounds like it was in stealth mode, given that they had no idea where it crashed after he punched out. The only scenario I can think of is that they were doing training and he was the aggressor pilot to train the other pilots/ground crews how to counter a stealth fighter like a J-20 or SU-57, even though both of those are much inferior planes - but if you can counter an F-35, the others will be easy.

    The only guy I know of that can steal a stealth fighter is Clint when he stole the MiG-31.
    No....
    I am humbly worried there is a mental issue. Don't know why and don't want to judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Right, that was a good story. The Foxbat had everyone worried, and that's how we got the F-15. Especially when Israel watched one sprint at Mach 3 - buy as it turned out, the engines disintegrated at Mach 3 and the pilots were forbidden to take it that fast.

    And they couldn't turn & dogfight. They were a straight-line hotrod designed to shoot down the SR-71, but they never got close.

    You guys never saw the movie? Was my favorite as a kid when it came out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightTrain View Post
    You guys never saw the movie? Was my favorite as a kid when it came out.
    I remember that one. Can't say that I saw it though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    I remember that one. Can't say that I saw it though.
    Cheesy special effects by today's standards. The plywood mock-up they used had it's wings flapping like a goose as they towed it down the runway in the theft scene, but as an 11 year old who wanted to be a fighter pilot it was the best movie ever made!

    I just noticed that they got a couple of things right regarding stealth, with the faceted fuselage like the F-117 to deflect radar. Impressive for Hollywood to be aware of that concept back before stealth was anything but a pipedream.
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    Default Debris found from F-35 jet in South Carolina after US pilot ejected

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    As I was saying ...


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