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    I agree that history is written by the victors but not that the world would be better off had Adolf won.

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    Quote Originally Posted by disobey View Post
    I see you have "drank the Kool Aid." If history repeats itself, it will be because of people like you. Here is the REAL history. Hitler wasn't the bad guy. Stalin was. And we were the bad guys for backing Stalin. In total, Russian communists were said to have been responsible for the untimely deaths of 80 to 100 million people. And the number is far greater than even 100 million if you count all those who died untimely deaths at the hands of the communist Chinese. Who most likely wouldn't have gained power if not without help from the communist Russians. The Korean and Vietnamese wars were part of the payback we got from that. As well as the Iron Curtain in Europe, the cold war and the world nearly being destroyed in nuclear war with the Russians on a few different occasions.

    Also, in 1933 Italian counsel Sergio Gradenigo wrote that he estimated the number of Ukrainians to have been murdered by communists Russians to be 10 to 15 million. To the Ukrainians, Hitler wasn't an invader. He was a saviour! I will show you a picture with a quote of something said by somebody who used to be the head of the NKVD in Russia. His name was Genrikh Yagoda. He is said to have been responsible for the untimely deaths of at least 10 million people. He was also a jew. Does that fact make this reply too "anti-semitic" for this forum? Well that doesn't change the facts. And facts are what I am all about.

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    Ridiculous.

    I will give you that Stalin was a bad as Hitler. He only proved worse because he was allowed to continue on while Hitler was not.

    The number of Ukrainians killed during the Holdomor is estimated between 4-7m. Your numbers are greatly exaggerated. Since I usually argue I can see why Finns and/or Ukrainians would choose to fight for Germany instead of Stalin's Russia, please feel free to not fudge numbers/exaggerate. It is unnecessary to making an argument.

    I grew up in the Cold War military then joined it. You don't have to convince me to hate the Soviets or ChiComs. Again, your exaggeration is unnecessary.

    Not sure where you took history, but you are acting like what you accuse "the People" of being. Brainwashed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Ridiculous.

    I will give you that Stalin was a bad as Hitler. He only proved worse because he was allowed to continue on while Hitler was not.

    The number of Ukrainians killed during the Holdomor is estimated between 4-7m. Your numbers are greatly exaggerated. Since I usually argue I can see why Finns and/or Ukrainians would choose to fight for Germany instead of Stalin's Russia, please feel free to not fudge numbers/exaggerate. It is unnecessary to making an argument.

    I grew up in the Cold War military then joined it. You don't have to convince me to hate the Soviets or ChiComs. Again, your exaggeration is unnecessary.

    Not sure where you took history, but you are acting like what you accuse "the People" of being. Brainwashed.

    STOP listening to BS history as written by the victors. I thoroughly and completely looked into the matter. Many times. It is hard to get really accurate. Because dead men tell no tales. But I mentioned what the Italian counsel Sergio Gradenigo wrote back in 1933. He was there! I would think that he knew a little more on the matter than your BS history. There was also a Ukrainian named Nestor Gorodovenko who is said to have said privately that he thought the number of Ukrainian dead was around 18 million! Also, I will show you a meme of General Patton that paraphrases how he felt on the matter. Again, HE WAS THERE! I will also post a meme of somebody named Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. He was a Russian historian and novelist. And he was also a Nobel Laureate! It is true that sometimes winning the Nobel Piece Prize is nothing more than a popularity contest. But Solzhenitsyn was an actual intellectual. What he had to say backs up what I have been saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by disobey View Post
    STOP listening to BS history as written by the victors. I thoroughly and completely looked into the matter. Many times. It is hard to get really accurate. Because dead men tell no tales. But I mentioned what the Italian counsel Sergio Gradenigo wrote back in 1933. He was there! I would think that he knew a little more on the matter than your BS history. There was also a Ukrainian named Nestor Gorodovenko who is said to have said privately that he thought the number of Ukrainian dead was around 18 million! Also, I will show you a meme of General Patton that paraphrases how he felt on the matter. Again, HE WAS THERE! I will also post a meme of somebody named Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. He was a Russian historian and novelist. And he was also a Nobel Laureate! It is true that sometimes winning the Nobel Piece Prize is nothing more than a popularity contest. But Solzhenitsyn was an actual intellectual. What he had to say backs up what I have been saying.

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    I have looked into the matter, thanks. Which country's POV would you prefer? The victors may write history but they cannot rewrite provable fact.

    The fact that the Soviets sucked doesn't negate the fact that Hitler sucked. Hitler CHOSE his victims/enemies. A luxury none of them had, to include the USSR. Had Hitler not invaded Poland (for what gain?), somebody would still be waving Neville Chamberlain's paper around. The same way the West treats everything. Somebody's got blow our shit up before it's "real".
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    Quote Originally Posted by disobey View Post
    Hitler wasn't the bad guy. Stalin was.
    In for the defense of h****r. My position is that they're both authoritarian pieces of S*.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    In for the defense of h****r. My position is that they're both authoritarian pieces of S*.
    There's no defense for Hunter Biden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightTrain View Post
    Uh huh.

    Alik wasn't carelessly typing Nazi 3 times in 1 post. That was you.

    You summoned him, now un-summon him. Or exorcise? Banish? I'm confused on how this works.

    Just do whatever the reverse is of what you did. Earlier. In that one thread.
    Seems what's been done cannot be undone.
    I think he might be one of those Ukrainian Yatzees that you told me not to worry about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Seems what's been done cannot be undone.
    I think he might be one of those Ukrainian Yatzees that you told me not to worry about.
    Rev wins the internet today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Seems what's been done cannot be undone.
    I think he might be one of those Ukrainian Yatzees that you told me not to worry about.
    A Ukrainian Nazi in Michigan? That's so crazy it might just be potato.

    At any rate, I think it's safe to say that Disobey did nazi that coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by disobey View Post
    .... I will also show you a meme of .....
    It is proper to take alarm at the first experiment on our liberties. The freeman of America did not wait till usurped power had strengthened itself by exercise, and entangled the question in precedents. James Madison
    Live as free people, yet without employing your freedom as a pretext for wickedness; but live at all times as servants of God.
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