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    Default Hamas Attacks; Israel Declares War

    Not what the world needs, but it's what the world gets. Iran of course is pleased:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...iv-2023-10-07/

    Middle EastIsrael 'at war' as Hamas unleashes surprise attack from Gaza
    By Nidal Al-Mughrabi and Maayan Lubell
    October 7, 20238:04 AM MSTUpdated 20 min ago




    JERUSALEM/GAZA, Oct 7 (Reuters) - Palestinian Islamist group Hamas launched the biggest attack on Israel in years on Saturday, killing dozens of people and taking hostages in a surprise assault that combined gunmen crossing into Israel with a barrage of rockets fired from the Gaza Strip.


    Israel said the Iran-backed group had declared war as its army confirmed fighting with militants in several Israeli towns and military bases near Gaza, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed to retaliate.


    "Our enemy will pay a price the type of which it has never known," he said. "We are in a war and we will win it".


    Israel's N12 News reported that at least 100 Israelis were killed. A Reuters photographer saw multiple bodies lying in streets of the southern town of Sderot.


    The Israeli military said it had responded with air strikes into Gaza, where witnesses reported hearing heavy explosions and multiple dead and wounded being carried into hospitals. The Israeli military said navy forces killed dozens of Palestinian militants trying to infiltrate Israel by sea.


    Hamas deputy chief Saleh al-Arouri told Al Jazeera that the group was holding a big number of Israeli captives, including senior officials. He said Hamas had enough captives to make Israel free all Palestinians in its jails.


    The military confirmed Israelis were being held captive in Gaza and soldiers have been killed, according to N12 and Reshet 13 news outlets.


    Gaza health officials said 198 Palestinians had been killed in air strikes as bombardments hit deep into Gaza City, sending clouds of black smoke spiralling into the sky.


    Hamas said the attack was driven by what it said were Israel's escalated attacks on Palestinians in the West Bank, Jerusalem and against Palestinians in Israeli prisons.


    "This is the day of the greatest battle to end the last occupation on earth," Hamas military commander Mohammad Deif said, announcing the start of the operation in a broadcast on Hamas media and calling on Palestinians everywhere to fight.


    Hamas advocates Israel's destruction.


    GUNBATTLES IN ISRAELI TOWNS
    The attack marked an unprecedented infiltration into Israel by an unknown number of Hamas gunmen crossing from the Gaza Strip, and the heaviest blow for Israel in the conflict with Palestinians since the suicide bombings of the Second Intifada some two decades ago.


    Israel and Hamas fought a 10-day war in 2021.


    The bloodshed came a day after Israel marked the 50th anniversary of the 1973 war that brought the country to the verge of catastrophic defeat in a surprise attack by Syria and Egypt.


    The militant Islamic Jihad group said it had joined the attacks and was holding several Israeli soldiers captive. Hamas footage on its Telegram account showed its fighters pulling Israeli soldiers out of a tank.


    Israeli media reported gunbattles between bands of Palestinian fighters and security forces in towns in southern Israel. Israel's police chief said there were "21 active scenes" in southern Israel.


    In Gaza, people rushed to buy supplies in anticipation of days of conflict ahead. Some evacuated their homes and headed for shelters.


    U.N. Middle East peace envoy Tor Wennesland condemned the attacks on Israel, warning in a statement: "This is a dangerous precipice, and I appeal to all to pull back from the brink."


    The violence also drew criticism from Washington and other Western capitals.




    [1/27]A rocket is fired from Gaza toward Israel, in Gaza, October 7, 2023. REUTERS/Ibraheem Abu Mustafa Acquire Licensing Rights






    "The United States unequivocally condemns the unprovoked attacks by Hamas terrorists against Israeli civilians. There is never any justification for terrorism," said White House National Security Council Spokesperson Adrienne Watson.


    Reuters Graphics Reuters Graphics


    'PLEASE SEND HELP'
    Speaking to Israel N12 News by phone from Nir Oz, a kibbutz near Gaza, a woman identified as Dorin said militants had infiltrated her house and tried to open the bomb shelter where she was hiding.


    "They just came in again, please send help," she said. "There are a lot of homes harmed ... My husband is holding the door closed ... They are firing rounds of bullets."


    Israeli Defence Minister Gallant said "troops are fighting against the enemy at every location" and authorised the call-up of reservists.


    Footage circulating on social media appeared to show clashes in city streets as well as gunmen in jeeps roaming the countryside.


    "We were told there are terrorists inside the kibbutz, we can hear gunfire," a young woman named Dvir, from Beeri Kibbutz, told Israeli Army Radio from her bomb shelter.


    Hamas media displayed videos of what it said were bodies of Israeli soldiers brought into Gaza by fighters, and Palestinian gunmen inside Israeli homes and touring an Israeli town in jeeps reportedly been driven into Israel by the attackers.


    Reuters was not immediately able to verify the footage.


    In Gaza, the roar of rocket launches could be heard and residents reported armed clashes along the separation fence with Israel, near the southern town of Khan Younis, and said they had seen significant movement of armed fighters.


    Palestinians in Gaza were bracing for Israel's response.


    "We are afraid," Palestinian woman, Amal Abu Daqqa, told Reuters as she left her house in Khan Younis.


    BACKDROP OF SURGING VIOLENCE
    The escalation comes against a backdrop of surging violence between Israel and Palestinian militants in the West Bank, which together with the Gaza Strip is part of the territories where Palestinians have long sought to establish a state.


    It also comes at a time of political upheaval in Israel, which has been riven by deep divisions over moves to overhaul the judiciary, and as Washington works to strike a deal that would normalise ties between Israel and Saudi Arabia.


    Saudi Arabia's foreign ministry called for an "immediate cessation of violence between Israeli and the Palestinians", the state news agency reported.


    The Iran-backed Lebanese group Hezbollah said the operation was a "decisive response to Israel's continued occupation and a message to those seeking normalisation with Israel".


    An adviser to Iran's Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei congratulated Palestinian fighters for the attack.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Not what the world needs, but it's what the world gets. Iran of course is pleased:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...iv-2023-10-07/
    Israel needs to take out the trash. Unfortunately, it will be hampered by diplomatic terrorist sympathizers, especially the ones occupying seats in the US Congress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Israel needs to take out the trash. Unfortunately, it will be hampered by diplomatic terrorist sympathizers, especially the ones occupying seats in the US Congress.
    Interestingly the first response by official administration was 'don't react in revenge,' has been taken down, but not before seen and saved:

    https://twitter.com/omriceren/status...ponse-n2164779


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    Default President Biden puts Israel's enemies on notice, says US support is 'rock solid and u

    Since our support is unwavering in all these places, perhaps Uncle Joe should try matching his mouth with some industrial production?

    President Biden condemned the terrorist attacks by Hamas in Israel on Saturday, calling U.S. support for Israel "rock solid and unwavering."
    "This morning, I spoke with Prime Minister Netanyahu about the horrific and ongoing attacks in Israel. The United States unequivocally condemns this appalling assault against Israel by Hamas terrorists from Gaza, and I made clear to Prime Minister Netanyahu that we stand ready to offer all appropriate means of support to the Government and people of Israel," Biden said.
    "Terrorism is never justified," the president continued, reiterating that Israel has a right to self defense. "The United States warns against any other party hostile to Israel seeking advantage in this situation. My Administration’s support for Israel’s security is rock solid and unwavering.
    "Jill and I are keeping in our prayers all of the families who have been hurt by this violence. We are heartbroken by the lives that have been tragically cut short and hope for a swift recovery for all those who have been wounded," Biden said.
    "My team and I are tracking this situation closely, and I will remain in close touch with Prime Minister Netanyahu."
    https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/ha...ack-israel-war
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    Default US response to attack on Israel is swift - and unsurprising

    Another take. BBC.

    The US response to the unprecedented Hamas offensive has been swift and unsurprising.
    Top officials, from President Biden to the secretaries of state and defense, have unequivocally condemned it, and declared their unwavering commitment to Israel’s right to defend itself.
    The Pentagon added that it will work to ensure Israel has what it needs to do so.
    The Biden administration has had a strained relationship with Israel’s right-wing government. It has warned about threats to Israeli democracy because of a plan to overhaul the judiciary - and criticised a particularly aggressive settler policy in the West Bank.
    Tensions had begun to ease in the past month, and now US support for Israel’s response to the Hamas attacks will become the focus.
    Former President Donald Trump also backed Israel’s right to defend itself with overwhelming force. And he took the opportunity to blame the Biden administration for policies he said undermined his own efforts to bring "so much peace to the Middle East" by brokering normalisation agreements between Israel and Arab countries.
    In fact, the Biden administration has been negotiating a similar agreement between Saudi Arabia and Israel. Any deal would have required some concessions to the Palestinians.
    The future of that initiative now depends on how the new Hamas-Israel conflict plays out.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-...-east-67037895
    Last edited by Gunny; 10-07-2023 at 11:31 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Since our support is unwavering in all these places, perhaps Uncle Joe should try matching his mouth with some industrial production?

    https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/ha...ack-israel-war
    From your above link. Scott is so correct, the anti-semites in Congress have funded this through Iran:

    Presidential candidates react to Hamas terror attacksPresidential candidates react to Hamas terror attacks
    (Photo by Oren ZIV / AFP) (Photo by OREN ZIV/AFP via Getty Images)


    A variety of presidential candidates have weighed in on the developing conflict between Hamas and Israeli Defense Forces.


    Most prominent in the various statements was a strong call to support retaliation against Hamas.


    Former President Donald Trump, who maintained a good relationship with Israel during his tenure in the White House, called the attacks a "disgrace" and insisted that Israel should defend itself with "overwhelming force."


    "Time to get back to Peace through strength. Time to get back to American leadership. Time to make sure the terrorists in Hamas and Tehran know …. America Stands With Israel," former Vice President Mike Pence, who served in the Trump administration, said.


    Fellow Republicans made similar calls to action in support of Israeli retaliation.


    "The dastardly terrorist attacks perpetrated against innocent Israeli civilians by Iran-backed terror group Hamas deserve a swift and lethal response," Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida wrote on social media Saturday. "Israel not only has the right to defend itself against these attacks, it has a duty to respond with overwhelming force."


    "Make no mistake: Hamas is a bloodthirsty terrorist organization backed by Iran and determined to kill as many innocent lives as possible," former North Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley said in a statement Saturday morning. "The reports out of Israel are horrific with a stunning number of dead and wounded and should be universally condemned."


    "I am appalled by the barbaric and medieval Hamas attacks," Ramaswamy wrote in a post to X. "Shooting civilians and kidnapping children are war crimes. Israel’s right to exist & defend itself should never be doubted and Iran-backed Hamas & Hezbollah cannot be allowed to prevail. I stand with Israel and the U.S. should too."


    Most candidates also referenced President Biden in their statements, laying the blame for the attacks on his administration's decision to release over $6 billion in frozen assets to Hamas ally Iran in a prisoner swap deal.

    "Biden’s appeasement of Israel’s enemies has invited this war against Israel. Appeasement anywhere never works. We must do whatever it takes to support the State of Israel in its time of grave danger, and we must end the scourge of Iran-backed terrorism," said former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie. "This terrorism is funded by Biden’s idiotic release of $6 billion to the Iranians."

    Sen. Tim Scott, on a campaign stop Saturday said the US "didn’t just invite this aggression, we paid for it."


    Posted by Timothy H.J. Nerozzi


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Interestingly the first response by official administration was 'don't react in revenge,' has been taken down, but not before seen and saved:

    https://twitter.com/omriceren/status...ponse-n2164779
    Roll with it, huh? Screw Biden. I hope Israel burns the damned place to the ground. All this screwing around placating enemies hoping they'll "see the light" has left nothing but unfinished business all over the damned World.

    Let's see if the puppet masters in Iran is ready to take an open hand. Lines being drawn are getting tighter.
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    Time to take off the gloves and pave the strip. Hezbollah rushing the border from Lebanon - pave that shithole too.


    I wonder where they got 5,000 rockets from?

    I wonder where that $6 Billion was used for that Biden gave Iran?

    Crazy that just last week I told Rev that we were due for another muzzie atrocity.

    There's some very evil shit going down all over Israel. Rapes, executions, torture... all of it.



    This is a distraction masterminded by Russia, supplied by Iran and carried out by the palestinian animals in order to take the focus off Ukraine.

    I'm really very disappointed in Mossad and the CIA. This is a massive coordinated attack involving thousands of terrorists and no one knew? This is a stunning failure.

    Finish the job this time, Israel. This can't continue.
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    Why does Israel have to do what "we" say ? Do we consult them on how to defend ourselves? Let them lift Iran off the planet.
    I think they should do just that and tell the golden Anti-semite and his apprentice to go fuck themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    Why does Israel have to do what "we" say ? Do we consult them on how to defend ourselves? Let them lift Iran off the planet.
    I think they should do just that and tell the golden Anti-semite and his apprentice to go fuck themselves.
    Israel does not. A misconception begun during the 1st Gulf War. We gave Israel Patriot missile systems to defend against Saddam trying to draw Israel into the conflict, hoping it would bring the rest of the Arab nations in on the side of Iraq. Sound strategy.

    Diplomatically we naturally have to whine about bloodshed which leads to today's results. We strong-arm Israel diplomatically with the threat of pulling military support.

    In this case, I doubt Israel is going to listen to anyone. At least it never has in the past. They do what they have to say sorry after the fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    Why does Israel have to do what "we" say ? Do we consult them on how to defend ourselves? Let them lift Iran off the planet.
    I think they should do just that and tell the golden Anti-semite and his apprentice to go fuck themselves.
    "Fuck Off" needs to be the official response to every country telling Israel to exercise restraint. Pave it. Give them 24 hours to evacuate Gaza and then pave it. After the current military response concludes.

    All those Syrians, Egyptians and Lebanese can relocate to their native countries or be paved over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Israel does not. A misconception begun during the 1st Gulf War. We gave Israel Patriot missile systems to defend against Saddam trying to draw Israel into the conflict, hoping it would bring the rest of the Arab nations in on the side of Iraq. Sound strategy.

    Diplomatically we naturally have to whine about bloodshed which leads to today's results. We strong-arm Israel diplomatically with the threat of pulling military support.

    In this case, I doubt Israel is going to listen to anyone. At least it never has in the past. They do what they have to say sorry after the fact.
    Well Maybe I'll evade paying taxes and send all that money to Israel.
    I remember the attack on tel aviiv by saddam. Israel had to eat that and say thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightTrain View Post
    Time to take off the gloves and pave the strip. Hezbollah rushing the border from Lebanon - pave that shithole too.


    I wonder where they got 5,000 rockets from?

    I wonder where that $6 Billion was used for that Biden gave Iran?

    Crazy that just last week I told Rev that we were due for another muzzie atrocity.

    There's some very evil shit going down all over Israel. Rapes, executions, torture... all of it.



    This is a distraction masterminded by Russia, supplied by Iran and carried out by the palestinian animals in order to take the focus off Ukraine.

    I'm really very disappointed in Mossad and the CIA. This is a massive coordinated attack involving thousands of terrorists and no one knew? This is a stunning failure.

    Finish the job this time, Israel. This can't continue.
    Right on the mark. Several big bad players in on this bullshat. Those attacking Israel are all terrorists engaging in terrorism.
    Yet we will have dems crying that they are correct!!---Tyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Israel does not. A misconception begun during the 1st Gulf War. We gave Israel Patriot missile systems to defend against Saddam trying to draw Israel into the conflict, hoping it would bring the rest of the Arab nations in on the side of Iraq. Sound strategy.

    Diplomatically we naturally have to whine about bloodshed which leads to today's results. We strong-arm Israel diplomatically with the threat of pulling military support.

    In this case, I doubt Israel is going to listen to anyone. At least it never has in the past. They do what they have to say sorry after the fact.
    Usually... but we've been bullying Israel for decades now to get them to play stupid games with terrorists.

    This time will be different. There's unspeakable shit happening all over Israel to civilians, women and children are specifically targeted.
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    Be fun to watch Pelosi try to keep the squad quiet.

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