Letting The Protestors Protest

[Kathianne]

As Gunny said, I don't get them, the moral clarity seems crystal to me. Obviously not to others. I do know that driving the protestors underground is never a good idea. This way they too are challenged. He's right about crackdowns in France and Britain, then again, they have multiple areas like Dearborn, big mistake there. Still silencing doesn't really work:

https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/...haters-n584679

Don't silence the hatersDAVID STROM 5:21 PM on October 13, 2023

Don't silence the haters
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There is nothing more clarifying than listening to a speaker who says what they really mean.


That is true when you agree with somebody and is equally true when you don’t. That is true when a saint professes love for their enemies and is true when a vicious person declares his hatred for others.


Silencing people isn’t just an offense against an abstract set of rights; it not only undermines liberty; it also robs us of the opportunity to learn, get to know people, change our minds, or gain moral clarity. If somebody is more right than you, you learn from the experience; if they are wrong, you at least have the opportunity to correct them. And if they are determined to silence you, you know they are the bad guys.




I have been railing against the evil of Hamas and its supporters throughout the world all week, but I am also disturbed by the moves being made in Western countries to make illegal gatherings to support Hamas or to silence the terrorist supporters.


Were I in France or Great Britain–both countries cracking down on pro-Hamas speech and demonstrations–it would bother me that my leaders don’t want me to know that evil is in our midst. Shutting up the bigots doesn’t get rid of the bigotry; it drives it underground and likely radicalizes its supporters.


It also deprives people of an important fact: diversity is not our strength. Mass immigration from lands hostile to civilized behavior was a horrible, terrible mistake.


Millions of liberals are, I hope, waking up to the fact that people with whom they have allied are, indeed, the bad guys. By this, I don’t mean just radical Islamists, but more importantly all the DEI, “decolonize,” and other Leftist/Marxist activists who adhere to critical theory ideology. CRT, DEI, “decolonize,” and alphabet radicals are united in one thing, despite their differences: they hate the West. They hate you and me.


And that “us” includes you, old-style liberals.


Censorship is nothing more than a mechanism designed to maintain an illusion that pleases the powerful. One of those illusions is that Westerners, especially White Westerners, are oppressors. Everybody got to see that this week as college campuses and the streets of major cities were filled with terrorist-sympathizers. Suppressing those demonstrations would simply hide the fact that these people exist and are in a dominant position in our societies.


Liberals put them there. And liberals need to see what they have been supporting. Censoring the vicious would only serve to hide that fact.




Germany has draconian hate speech laws, as does the UK; such laws don’t suppress hate, but rather suppress its existence being revealed. The EU is on a censorship spree, trying to create an illusion of a happy one-world net-zero utopia where everybody lives in harmony with each other and nature.


That is an illusion, and a dangerous one at that. In order to live good lives and protect our civilization we need to confront reality, not spread a fantasy. That means facing hard truths, and confronting the untruths that are out there.


Our elites, who want to shape our illusions do their best to suppress what they call “misinformation.” In their view, anything true or false that challenges their vision and their power is misinformation.


Fear of COVID was used to implement their censorship regime, and they will use fear of Islamic terrorism to further that goal. We shouldn’t let them. I want to see who stands with barbarians, and who stands with civilization. I want to hear the justifications of terror, and more importantly I want the Michelle Goldbergs of the world to do so to.


It is clarifying. It keeps us in touch with reality. And only through confronting reality can we make it better.

[Gunny]

As Gunny said, I don't get them, the moral clarity seems crystal to me. Obviously not to others. I do know that driving the protestors underground is never a good idea. This way they too are challenged. He's right about crackdowns in France and Britain, then again, they have multiple areas like Dearborn, big mistake there. Still silencing doesn't really work:

https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/...haters-n584679

I was firmly in agreement with the author since I can't recall when. Until this past week. There's going too far

[Kathianne]

I was firmly in agreement with the author since I can't recall when. Until this past week. There's going too far

I hear you, breaks my heart, the stupidity. Still know your enemy can't happen in censored area.

[Gunny]

I hear you, breaks my heart, the stupidity. Still know your enemy can't happen in censored area.

I have always argued let "them" prove what losers and idiots they are with their own words. I prefer the enemy out in the open showing exactly who and what they are for the World to see.

In days gone by, sound strategy. Nowadays when right is wrong and wrong is right, the bad guys are the victims, and males are females and vice versa? There's always some that are going to side with stupid regardless the science, fact, logic and/or common sense.

Making it worse, the MSM is quite comfortable with amplifying the voices of the idiots while putting the aforementioned on mute. Just have to wonder where the voice of freedom stands when those who control the audiences have flipped the script.

[Kathianne]

I have always argued let "them" prove what losers and idiots they are with their own words. I prefer the enemy out in the open showing exactly who and what they are for the World to see.

In days gone by, sound strategy. Nowadays when right is wrong and wrong is right, the bad guys are the victims, and males are females and vice versa? There's always some that are going to side with stupid regardless the science, fact, logic and/or common sense.

Making it worse, the MSM is quite comfortable with amplifying the voices of the idiots while putting the aforementioned on mute. Just have to wonder where the voice of freedom stands when those who control the audiences have flipped the script.

If not answered; which if not spoken cannot be; it becomes the norm. How often has the 'majority' been complacent as vocabulary is redefined, along with normalizing abnormal behaviors? Those became the norm, were entered into unabridged dictionaries and the abnormal became normal. i.e., children out of wedlock; homosexuals out and in careers once considered 'sensitive' like education/policing/military...

Now there are changes that have been good for the individuals and society, discrimination is not something that should be the norm and certainly violence accompany can never be accepted and was in the past. However, all the wrongs of the past do not justify or excuse letting bad actors have free reign. Got to hit a base of fairness, acceptance, and rules.

[Gunny]

If not answered; which if not spoken cannot be; it becomes the norm. How often has the 'majority' been complacent as vocabulary is redefined, along with normalizing abnormal behaviors? Those became the norm, were entered into unabridged dictionaries and the abnormal became normal. i.e., children out of wedlock; homosexuals out and in careers once considered 'sensitive' like education/policing/military...

Now there are changes that have been good for the individuals and society, discrimination is not something that should be the norm and certainly violence accompany can never be accepted and was in the past. However, all the wrongs of the past do not justify or excuse letting bad actors have free reign. Got to hit a base of fairness, acceptance, and rules.

I have never figured this one out. The "Silent Majority". We STILL have some opportunity left to change government but look what WE do. Put Gaetz and MTG and other obstructionists in office to screw ourselves.

I recall back in the late 70s when "acceptance" of open homosexuality was being pushed as "normal". I said then we would pay for it. Looks like we've lived long enough to watch that approaching snowball of doom as it has spread its poison to the points stated in your post. Everything has a consequence. The left has completely undermined cause/effect, allowing people to excuse their way out of consequences. Always somebody else's fault or some convoluted "reasoning" why.

The complicit, complacent sit and watch like it's a sporting event on TV that will never affect us.