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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    U sure wish the media would butt out. Wishful thinking, I know. But taunting thin-skinned knuckleheads could lead said knuckleheads to do something really stupid.

    I saw one report that showed multiple strikes all over Iran, to include its nuclear facilities. Closer inspection showed said outlet to be one of those playing word games to make people think was Fox News. I was having server issues at the time and it was the only thing I could find.

    Then when I got Fox News "live updates" I got to listen to 15 minutes of what-iffery and the reasons why. CNN no better. Then came the sh*t-talkers.

    Fact is, Israel wasn't/isn't talking and neither is Iran.

    I hope this assessment is correct and everybody can get their damned egos in check and get back to the business of removing Hamas from the map.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    U sure wish the media would butt out. Wishful thinking, I know. But taunting thin-skinned knuckleheads could lead said knuckleheads to do something really stupid.

    I saw one report that showed multiple strikes all over Iran, to include its nuclear facilities. Closer inspection showed said outlet to be one of those playing word games to make people think was Fox News. I was having server issues at the time and it was the only thing I could find.

    Then when I got Fox News "live updates" I got to listen to 15 minutes of what-iffery and the reasons why. CNN no better. Then came the sh*t-talkers.

    Fact is, Israel wasn't/isn't talking and neither is Iran.

    I hope this assessment is correct and everybody can get their damned egos in check and get back to the business of removing Hamas from the map.
    Honestly, that IS what I'm hearing, including last night. Only 'confirmation' is the Pentagon.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Honestly, that IS what I'm hearing, including last night. Only 'confirmation' is the Pentagon.
    Have no fear. The spin machine just needs time to catch up

    I can believe what has been presented so far. What I REALLY would like to know is what was fired vs stops and hits. A wake-up call strike that did untold but minimal damage to an air base close to one of the nuclear facilities and not too far from Iran. Best one can hope for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Have no fear. The spin machine just needs time to catch up

    I can believe what has been presented so far. What I REALLY would like to know is what was fired vs stops and hits. A wake-up call strike that did untold but minimal damage to an air base close to one of the nuclear facilities and not too far from Iran. Best one can hope for.
    What I've been hearing is that an military base not far from nuclear site was hit, while obvious hit-not shot down-no injuries reported. Basically, 'we can hit you where we choose, note that.'

    Seems the air defense system failed, which of course emphasizes the problem.


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    One kinda sad aspect - my gal was born in one of the cities they're attacking - Isfahan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Hogwash.

    [The Pentagon’s program

    Since 2005, the U.S. has partnered with Ukraine through the Pentagon’s Biological Threat Reduction Program. The purpose is "to support peaceful and safe biological detection and diagnostic capabilities and to reduce the threats posed by pathogens," according to a March 2022 government fact sheet.
    Andy Weber, a member of the Arms Control Association Board of Directors and a former assistant secretary of defense for nuclear, chemical, and biological defense programs, previously told us there are no U.S. military-run labs in Ukraine but rather health labs to help detect, prevent and mitigate infectious disease.
    The Defense Department’s Cooperative Threat Reduction program "has provided technical support to the Ukrainian Ministry of Health since 2005 to improve public health laboratories, whose mission is analogous to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention," Weber said.

    Also known as the Nunn-Lugar program, the initiative began after the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991 as a project aimed at dismantling and securing leftover weapons of mass destruction programs in former Soviet countries.
    [B]The facilities in Ukraine

    The Pentagon hasn’t said anything new about the 46 facilities — we reported about them in April. In fact, the June 9 release at the center of these claims specifically states that Ukraine "has no nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons programs."
    With regard to the 46 facilities, the government fact sheet said the U.S. has:
    "Worked collaboratively to improve Ukraine’s biological safety, security, and disease surveillance for both human and animal health, providing support to 46 peaceful Ukrainian laboratories, health facilities, and disease diagnostic sites over the last two decades. The collaborative programs have focused on improving public health and agriculture...


    You willing to bet YOUR life on it? Of course not. I did. I was in the First Gulf War. I'd loved to have seen your candy ass running around without MOPP gear on telling everyone what-all Sadam doesn't have. And "to speak of" doesn't cut any ice here.

    I supported winning the Iraq War because we were in it. I did not agree with invading and/or deposing Saddam. For REAL reasons. I don't need to make any up.









    Just like the Pentagon can't find or doesn't have Bio-Weapons labs in Ukraine & elsewhere.
    "agriculture"
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