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    Police are arriving. Funny, I've been trying to get some more info on how things were going there, only saw a few pics; per usual, it's a nerdy bunch. Few wear the Pali scarves-they find 'cool' not their thing. There's always one or two, but that was my observations. Also seems that the demonstrations weren't too over the top, no taking of buildings, etc. They just defied the hours set for 'loud.' Good education, weird peers.

    https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2024/05/...pment-n3787753

    University of Chicago President Calls for an End to EncampmentJOHN SEXTON 6:40 PM | May 03, 2024



    It's starting to look like the encampment at the University of Chicago could be the next to go. The school's president has said it "cannot continue" and police seem to be arriving on campus.


    The University has determined that the pro-Palestine encampment on the main quad is substantially disrupting the functioning and safety of the University, according to an email sent to the University community by President Paul Alivisatos...


    “As I wrote on Monday, out of principle we provide the greatest leeway possible for free expression, even expression of viewpoints that some find deeply offensive, even in rare cases at the expense of some policy violations—for a time,” Alivisatos wrote in the email. “But the encampment cannot continue.”


    Alivisatos cited the disruption of classes, vandalism of University property, destruction of approved student installations, and the raising of the Palestinian flag on the main quad flagpole as reasons for escalating the University’s position...


    “Left to itself, there is no end in sight, and the disruptions will continue to mount,” Alivisatos wrote. “The encampment protesters have flouted our policies rather than working within them, despite UChicago being an institution that allows for many ways to express views.”


    There was a counter-protest on campus today which set off the pro-Palestinian group. The counter-protesters waved American flags and marched toward the encampment.




    As you can see from this angle, this guy wasn't walking into protesters, protesters were forming a human wall in his path.




    They also chanted "USA!" at the pro-Palestinian protesters.




    At some point, police separated the two groups.




    Here's what happened according to the Sun Times:


    Shortly after 12:30 p.m., the counter-protest arrived near the previously peaceful encampment, with some members carrying American flags. Encampment demonstrators chanted “Disclose, Divest, we will not step, we will not rest,” while the opposing group chanted “U.S.A.” Some shoved and threw punches during the skirmish. No arrests were made.


    Campus police arrived at the confrontation in riot gear, including shields and batons, standing between the two groups. An alert was sent out to the university community around 1:15 p.m. saying to avoid the main quad due to reports of a “physical altercation.” The rest of the campus seemed unaffected, as a group of people played with a frisbee on the same quad.


    So far the only violence I've seen is this, which according to the caption was against a "Zionist."




    So is the campus about to be cleared by the police? That seems likely to happen but so far there aren't enough police to make it happen. Maybe they'll ramp up later this evening or maybe they are waiting for the weekend. But given the president's statement, I don't think it will be too much longer.


    Finally, here's a local news report on the situation today. Notice that one student interviewed in this report says the only altercation she witnessed was someone trying to grab the American flag from the guy who was holding it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Police are arriving. Funny, I've been trying to get some more info on how things were going there, only saw a few pics; per usual, it's a nerdy bunch. Few wear the Pali scarves-they find 'cool' not their thing. There's always one or two, but that was my observations. Also seems that the demonstrations weren't too over the top, no taking of buildings, etc. They just defied the hours set for 'loud.' Good education, weird peers.

    https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2024/05/...pment-n3787753
    Can't have those counter-protesters. That's not FOS. Get the riot cops to handle those zionist a-holes

    This is actually dumber than doing nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Can't have those counter-protesters. That's not FOS. Get the riot cops to handle those zionist a-holes

    This is actually dumber than doing nothing.
    Like I said, weirdest university I've attended. Doesn't really resemble the others, which is per usual. They had some Jewish students, waving Israeli flags and holding placards; there were some carrying American flags and pushing any Pali backers out of the wave-that was the most 'violence' I saw. Now may be missing stuff, though I've watch CBS Chicago news on Paramount+.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Like I said, weirdest university I've attended. Doesn't really resemble the others, which is per usual. They had some Jewish students, waving Israeli flags and holding placards; there were some carrying American flags and pushing any Pali backers out of the wave-that was the most 'violence' I saw. Now may be missing stuff, though I've watch CBS Chicago news on Paramount+.
    I don't have a problem with pushing people out. I'm not real big on assault laws without context. If they push their way in, they can pushed right back out, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    I don't have a problem with pushing people out. I'm not real big on assault laws without context. If they push their way in, they can pushed right back out, IMO.
    The Pro-Palis tried to block their forward motion, didn't go well. No one threw punches, most wouldn't dare. Seriously, it's just not done. But pushing out of way, sure.

    Meanwhile, seems the police are still just observing, not much going on but noise at off times in afternoon.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    The Pro-Palis tried to block their forward motion, didn't go well. No one threw punches, most wouldn't dare. Seriously, it's just not done. But pushing out of way, sure.

    Meanwhile, seems the police are still just observing, not much going on but noise at off times in afternoon.
    Needs to be more of that going around.
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    I got to say, 50 years later, the school hasn't changed much. Interesting but very nerdy student body. Profs actually are more 'with it' than students, you can see that by senior year, many of the kids are actually norming out some. High school sucked for most. LOL!

    So here's the top administrator, explaining how he chose eventually to bring in police and shut down the encampment. He explains why they chose to give it a few days and why 'talks' failed. Basically, 'the students don't run school investments-the board does' and it's long term not a 4 year gig. They won't be forced to choose a winning side-oh if only are political leaders would do the same-they need to respect all.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-i-e...hare_permalink

    Why I Ended the University of Chicago Protest EncampmentStudents demanded that we side against Israel, violating the core principle of institutional neutrality.
    By Paul Alivisatos
    May 7, 2024 5:01 pm ET

    Anti-Israel protesters at the University of Chicago chant at police, May 7. PHOTO: CHARLES REX ARBOGAST/ASSOCIATED PRESS
    Chicago


    As president of the University of Chicago, I ended the encampment that occupied the University’s Main Quad for more than a week. The Tuesday morning action resulted in no arrests. Recent months have seen tremendous contention over protests on campuses, including pressure campaigns from every direction. That made this a decision of enormous import for the university.


    When the encampment formed on our campus, I said I would uphold the university’s principles and resist the forces tearing at the fabric of higher education. I didn’t direct immediate action against the encampment. I authorized discussions with the protesters regarding an end to the encampment in response to some of their demands. But when I concluded that the essential goals that animated those demands were incompatible with deep principles of the university, I decided to end the encampment with intervention.


    Some universities have chosen to block encampments from forming at all or ended them within an hour or so. We had the means to do so. Immediate intervention is consistent with enforcing reasonable regulations on the time, place and manner of speech, and it has the advantage of minimizing disruption. Yet strict adherence to every policy—the suppression of discord to promote harmony—comes at a cost. Discord is almost required for the truth-seeking function of a university to be genuine.


    Protest is a strongly protected form of speech in the University of Chicago culture, enshrined in the Chicago Principles for a reason. In times of discord, protest serves as a mechanism for democratic societies, and places of reason like universities, to find a way back toward dialogue and compromise. This has value even if protests result in disruption or violate the rules—up to a point. When a protest substantially interferes with the learning, research and operations of the university, when it meaningfully diminishes the free-expression rights of others—as happened with this encampment—then it must come to an end, through dialogue or intervention.


    Therefore, it was a crucial decision whether to seek a dialogue to resolve a disruptive protest. Some will argue that the moral hazard of even holding such discussions is so severe that they should never be undertaken at all—that no agreement could possibly be legitimate if it originated from these circumstances. Others will say such dialogue should always be sought. I believe dialogue may be appropriate under certain circumstances, provided that protesters come to it openly with an understanding that the consequences of their policy violations will be reviewed evenhandedly. The same applies to discipline now that the encampment has ended.


    So I authorized the opening of dialogue with the protesters, even though that extended the number of days the university was disrupted. I won’t describe the sequence or the content of those discussions, since we agreed that our exchanges would remain private unless and until we reached a favorable conclusion. During our substantive dialogue, there were some very difficult moments, but also moments of progress. The student-protester representatives offered analytical arguments and made powerful statements; their faculty representatives and liaisons also made important contributions. I believe that the administration representatives showed respect for their interlocutors and came to the discussions with genuine openness and a willingness to look for ways to make it work.


    Why then didn’t we reach a resolution? Because at the core of the demands was what I believe is a deep disagreement about a principle, one that can’t be papered over with carefully crafted words, creative adjustments to programming, or any other negotiable remedy.


    The disagreement revolves around institutional neutrality—a foundational value to the University of Chicago. It is a principle animated by the idea that authority can’t establish truth for an entire institution dedicated to truth-seeking; rather, it is the imperative of individuals to seek truth without being limited by authority. Institutional neutrality vests freedom of inquiry and speech directly in faculty and students, where it belongs.


    Underpinning the demands was a call for the university to diminish ties with Israel and increase ties with the Palestinians in Gaza. In short, the protesters were determined that the university should take sides in the conflict in Israel and Gaza. Other demands would have led to having political goals guide core aspects of the university’s institutional approaches, from how we invest our endowment to when and how I make statements. Faculty members and students are more than free to engage in advocacy on one side or the other. But if the university did so as an institution, it would no longer be much of a university.


    As the depth of this philosophical difference became clearer, I decided to end the dialogue. I yielded on some time, place and manner policies and allowed some degree of disruption in favor of protest, regardless of viewpoint; engaged in dialogue with those who were disrupting the university so long as they were prepared to face discipline. But there is no way I would ever compromise on institutional neutrality.


    Mr. Alivisatos is president of the University of Chicago.
    Last edited by Kathianne; 05-12-2024 at 11:47 PM.


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