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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Wikipedia says so.
    you posted it.
    Are saying you don't believe that it ended in 1946?
    If you believe Wikipedia own it. You said it.

    The Britannica definition draws the line a bit broader than wikipedias's.
    Seems pretty obvious to me that after 1946 the US influence grew rather than shrank.
    Overtly & Covertly, NATO, Germany, Japan, Philippines, South America, the middle east
    Only the Chinese & Soviets weren't practically under the overt or covert domination of the US.
    After the USSR fell we were/are the lone "superpower" in the world. With bases and ships all over the world "protecting" the current system based on the us dollar.
    1946 doesn't make sense to me.
    Some may not like the term "empire" but seems to me the shoe fits .
    I care not a whit about the definition of empire except as it relates to what you're trying to get to. You seem to want the US to fit a definition of empire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    I care not a whit about the definition of empire except as it relates to what you're trying to get to. You seem to want the US to fit a definition of empire.
    Yes, the U.S. is an empire.
    It's just a statement of reality.
    If we read about it in a world history book from Lithuania, I suspect that's what it'd be called.

    The questions I asked are, what I was getting at.

    If Empires fall mostly via conquest or decline?
    & the fate of the average people at the decline & fall of empires?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    @Gunny. Taking good and evil out of it, (i want troops in Afghanistan permanently and the world can't afford to lose taiwan) when you have troops in 100+ countries how is that not an empire?
    I don't recall stating the US is or is not an "empire".

    I responded to Rev's question regarding the fate of empires. I further stated the US is in decline. FJ picked as good a date as any and away we go down the rabbit hole arguing "when".

    Empires fall when they go into decline. Doesn't happen in a day. There is truth to both opinions as to "when", depending on one's focal point. We in fact have done little to attain and a lot more to maintain since WWII. Hungry people build empires. Fat people watch them crumble. We've been fat for a long time while stupidity has stolen the show.

    "When" to me is second fiddle to the chickens coming home to roost now for trying to rest on our laurels since the end of WWII
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Yes, the U.S. is an empire.
    It's just a statement of reality.
    If we read about it in a world history book from Lithuania, I suspect that's what it'd be called.

    The questions I asked are, what I was getting at.

    If Empires fall mostly via conquest or decline?
    & the fate of the average people at the decline & fall of empires?
    Your question was answered.

    The fate of the "average people" is determined by who succeeds the empire. Looks like we got a bunch of pussies with big mouths taking of the US. Few if any want to destroy the US. They want to control it. The German Empire/Weimar Republic and the resulting aftermath appear a good example of what's happening to the US.

    If you're asking can Joe Average who is affected little by government hide out in his basement and maybe not be bothered, cowards and sheep usually survive regime change They just kiss a different ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Yes, the U.S. is an empire.
    It's just a statement of reality.
    If we read about it in a world history book from Lithuania, I suspect that's what it'd be called.

    The questions I asked are, what I was getting at.

    If Empires fall mostly via conquest or decline?
    & the fate of the average people at the decline & fall of empires?
    I'm sure someone has done a study.
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    Many a tangled web... This question raised reminds me of a clip of that great historian Rick Steves talking about some village somewhere that would have it announced to them, "you are now French," and then eventually, "you are now British," as they went about their daily lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Many a tangled web... This question raised reminds me of a clip of that great historian Rick Steves talking about some village somewhere that would have it announced to them, "you are now French," and then eventually, "you are now British," as they went about their daily lives.
    Interesting take. What always comes to my mind is Vietnam. You're a poor rice farmer and that's what you know. Go to the 'ville every so often to hang out with other rice farmers. Meantime, China, France, N Vietnam, South Vietnam and finally the US have been traipsing back and forth across your paddy blowing each other up. Stealing your rice as "taxes" when they aren't blowing up your paddy. They've all got their high-minded ideas about what you're supposed to think and don't care who they have to kill or destroy to ensure you do.

    All you're thinking is if they'd quit blowing up my rice paddy and killing my kids we could eat. Doesn't matter who's doing it at the rice farmer level.
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