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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
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    ... is every other priest with the same doctrinal issues and who calls the pope "false prophet"... in fact excommunicated?
    I've been trying to look for list of other Priest, Bishops, Nuns etc who've been called to trial for "Schism" or possible Excommunication.
    I'm not able to find good articles that don't focus on issues 75-1000+ years old.
    I'm guessing there probably are other bishops or archBishops in the 20th & 21th century that have gotten somewhat similar treatment as Vigaṇ. Maybe charged with different issues.
    But i'm not finding them.
    There was a blurb at this one site about a sect of nuns who were excommunicated, but other than that I'm mainly seeing near protestant reformation level issues mentioned when I use the term "Schism" that Vigaṇ is accused of.

    Are you aware of any others?
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    @Kathianne




    I've been trying to look for list of other Priest, Bishops, Nuns etc who've been called to trial for "Schism" or possible Excommunication.
    I'm not able to find good articles that don't focus on issues 75-1000+ years old.
    I'm guessing there probably are other bishops or archBishops in the 20th & 21th century that have gotten somewhat similar treatment as Vigaṇ. Maybe charged with different issues.
    But i'm not finding them.
    There was a blurb at this one site about a sect of nuns who were excommunicated, but other than that I'm mainly seeing near protestant reformation level issues mentioned when I use the term "Schism" that Vigaṇ is accused of.

    Are you aware of any others?
    While I'll read something on the Church if I cross paths with such, as I've said previously, the hierarchy of the Church holds little interest to me or import on my faith. It's historical and certainly the men in positions of power within it have done good and bad works throughout, much like men or women, ie. Humans in every endeavor.
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    Just for @revelarts I've been watching for this:

    https://www.ncronline.org/vatican/va...icated-vatican

    Archbishop Vigaṇ found guilty of schism, excommunicated by VaticanVATICANVATICAN NEWS
    Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, then nuncio to the United States, congratulates then-Cardinal Theodore McCarrick of Washington at a gala dinner sponsored by the Pontifical Missions Societies in New York in May 2012. The archbishop has since said Cardinal McCarrick already was under sanctions at that time, including being banned from traveling and giving lectures. Oblate Fr. Andrew Small, center, director of the societies, said Vigano never tried to dissuade him from honoring the cardinal at the gala. (CNS/PM
    Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, then nuncio to the United States, congratulates then-Cardinal Theodore McCarrick of Washington at a gala dinner sponsored by the Pontifical Missions Societies in New York in May 2012. Vigano has been found guilty of schism and excommunicated, the Vatican announced July 5. (CNS/PMS/Michael Rogel)


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    July 5, 2024Share on FacebookShare on TwitterEmail to a friendPrint
    Italian Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigaṇ, the disgraced former papal nuncio to the United States who questioned the legitimacy of Pope Francis and the authority of the Second Vatican Council, has been found guilty of schism and excommunicated, the Vatican announced on July 5.


    "His public statements manifesting his refusal to recognize and submit to the Supreme Pontiff, his rejection of communion with the members of the Church subject to him, and of the legitimacy and magisterial authority of the Second Vatican Council are well known," stated a Vatican bulletin that announced the ruling.


    The decision of Vigaṇ's excommunication was widely expected following the archbishop's June 20 announcement that he had been charged with schism by the Dicastery for the Doctrine for the Faith and that he would not be cooperating with the Vatican penal process.


    At the time, Vigaṇ said he would not comply with the request to present himself in person to formally receive the accusation and evidence against him and said he considered the charges brought against him to be an "honor."


    The June 11 Vatican decree stated that if Vigaṇ remained unresponsive through June 28, he would be sentenced in absentia. The July 5 Vatican statement announcing the excommunication noted that the Congress of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith met on July 4 to conclude the penal process against Vigaṇ.


    The statement also noted that the archbishop was notified with news of his excommunication on July 5 and that the reversal of such a decision is reserved to the Apostolic See.


    The weighty decision by the Vatican to excommunicate Vigaṇ comes six years after he published an unprecedented 11-page letter in 2018 alleging a widespread Vatican cover-up of allegations against ex-Cardinal Theodore McCarrick and called on Francis to resign.


    Although many of his initial claims he alleged have been discredited, the Italian archbishop was lionized by some right-wing Catholics for his support of former U.S. President Donald Trump, opposition to the COVID-19 vaccines and spreading of Q-Anon conspiracy theories.


    While many mainstream Catholics have dismissed the former Vatican diplomat, he has continued to use his website and social media to promote his radicalized views, with his posts being shared by high-profile individuals such as Trump and being widely promoted within certain pockets of the U.S. Catholic Church.


    The rare excommunication of one of the church's own prelates is likely to put a number of U.S. bishops in an awkward position given that following his initial 2018 allegations against the pope, more than two dozen issued statements attesting to his credibility, including some of the current leadership of the U.S. bishops' conference.


    At the time of publication, Vigaṇ had yet to issue a statement in response to his excommunication. His last public posting on social media, published on the same date of the Vatican's statement on his excommunication, was a request for donations for his foundation in support of the "traditional training" of young seminarians.


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