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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    What other side should i post?
    I for one don't think you need to post both sides, just think through and be able to defend the one you do post.

    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    As I said I get that.
    So Palestinian civilians have been run off from their homes, their land and have had their homes destroyed. and family members killed
    Do they have right to fight back for every inch?
    Do they have the same moral imperative, should they at least, be given an opportunity to make it so.

    If you were Palestinian who was just living life, what would you think is the moral thing to do?
    Yes, they have a right to fight back. They just can't make the demand to be given the tools to do so. As BD pointed out you can ask the same question to 1944 Dresden and 1944 Tokyo among others.

    Do you want that we should stop arming Israel? Make the case. Do you want we should start arming Hamas? Make the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    I for one don't think you need to post both sides, just think through and be able to defend the one you do post.

    Yes, they have a right to fight back. They just can't make the demand to be given the tools to do so. As BD pointed out you can ask the same question to 1944 Dresden and 1944 Tokyo among others.

    Do you want that we should stop arming Israel? Make the case. Do you want we should start arming Hamas? Make the case.

    The case is simple legally.
    Hamas has not attacked the U.S..
    Israel is not a treaty bound ally.
    If anything it's a civil war.

    We are not obligated legally to either side.
    There is no real legal counter (other side) to this.

    None that could not be honestly turned to say that we should help ANY country that has an internal conflict over land or internal kidnapping bombings etc..
    Do we need a list of countries like this so that we can decide which side to help with billions of dollars and billions in arms?

    The concept of fighting for freedom & land is great.
    The Palestinians have live in, been corralled into, Gaza for decades maybe hundreds of years?. It's their land.
    Should they be attacking Israel? NO.
    Should Israel bomb them all out of their homes, off their land and starve them to death. Id say No. (so do many in Israel BTW)
    Should we help either of them kill each other. I say Absolutely not.
    MAYBE we should go back to the ONGOING, never ending, project of trying to help them live in relative peace.

    Or maybe we should mind our own biz. And let them work it out. without our "help".
    People in the U.S. seem very emotionally attached to the issue and to want to take sides.
    But legally, factually it's NOT our problem. Israel helped create Hamas.
    Israel is not a child. It's the dominant military in the region. How about we let other countries be independent when it comes to dealing with internal conflicts like this.

    Humanitarian aid is something that the U.S. should ALWAYS be ready to do. private & public.
    But helping to kill people of other nations? without a declaration of war?
    How does that work?
    Oh yeah... we've done it before... precedents... seems we're entangled the question in precedents again.
    Last edited by revelarts; 06-29-2024 at 10:33 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    BTW are you responsible for Biden?

    But Israel propped up and funded Hamas -a terrorist group- for years against the PLO.
    Israeli news and Israeli officials admit this. For some reason folks here don't acknowledge this.

    Does Israel hold any responsibility for Hamases rise as well? Or do we simply deny that part and blame ALL Palestinians for "voting" for what Israel paid for?
    If you've run from a bombed out neighborhood, & you're hiding out in a refugee camp with your family & a backpack and armed terrorist mix in with "your" group, then you get bombs rained on you. Do you have any love or loyalty to either group gunny?

    You talk to me about "real world" situations that's reality. Who are you turning the terrorist over to Gunny?
    Sadly, I EXPECTED and KNEW this response was coming from you. Your intellectually dishonest word salad is just that predictable.

    We, the People ARE responsible in the eyes of the World for our government and its actions. Only "We, the People," in our supreme arrogance believe otherwise.

    None of that changes a damned thing when it comes to knowing the difference between good and evil. Right, Bible thumper? Or is it that good and evil are defined by political expedience in your church?

    Hamas exists solely for the purpose of destroying Israel. It has no other purpose. I doubt they've given thought to WTF they would do if they got their wish. Day jobs for preachers of hatred and murder in the guise of a religion? They don't want an end to this war. Just to maintain relevance while the leaders get rich on the backs of the people they use as both weapon and shield. An end would ruin their gig.

    Everything about that is evil. And if those so-called "innocent Palestinians" wanted things differently? They've had since the 1940s to figure out something that works better than this shit. Or maybe not. Might be the long way around the block but as long as there are apologists for bad guys around to defend that FUBAR, BS mess and call for the heads of people actually trying to earn a living and have a life they've got a chance in this backwards-ass-thinking World.
    ďWhen bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.Ē Edumnd Burke

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