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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    So I guess what I thought was a well-thought out post was just an utter waste of time because you've got it all worked out no matter my rationale or evidence. It seems that you prefer more government meddling when you've just pointed out the ramifications of decades of government meddling. Cognitive dissonance mayhap? You're very concerned about the little guy but who is the first to suffer when $36TT in debt can no longer just be rolled over? I'll tell you in ~2035 based on laws passed in the 1980s will see 30%? reduction in SS payments just because the trust fund is no longer solvent the little guy will get screwed. That is exactly the people's fault because it became clear to elected officials what would happen if they dared touch the "3rd rail." Even here I was excoriated for suggesting that SS was essentially welfare; I was told that they paid into and needed to get back their taxes contributions. Tell me where I'm wrong, don't just roll up in a ball and try to tell me what I said; you're not very good at telling me what I just said.

    Nevertheless, since you didn't like any of my ideas what's your solution? Trinket tax cuts because evil corporations? Eat all the rich because there are some bad apples? More and more bureaucracy because of regulatory capture? Inquiring minds... or it's better that you don't reply to me because it's clear that alternate viewpoints are not welcome.

    Here's the thing I think you miss about my POV.
    The only sacred ideology I have is GOD and his word.

    For me it's right & proper to call out problems everywhere there is one.
    There ARE no sacred institutions or ideologies or economic forms. Only some that are somewhat better than others.

    Capitalism is good ...to a point... as a tool, not an ultimate goal or foundation for life.
    Govt is good ...to a point... as a tool, not as ultimate authority over every, or even MOST, aspects of life.

    When either assumes too much power, separately or in cooperation, they can and do act in ways that harm.
    And when they have outsized scale they can do outsized harm.

    As far as solutions go
    I think I've made that clear over the years.
    Gov't acting closer to the constitutional limits. And corporations limited in scope, and limited in influence in the gov't. and excluded from the monetary controls.
    Opening up far more options, opportunities & responsibilities all down the line. Rather than the one size fits all top down 'solutions' & controls from corporate & govt overlords.
    I've been told this is too "idealistic" to reach. Not that it won't work.
    But it's amazing to me how we can elect all of the Horrific candidates who believe things like men can have babies and the U.S. military can police the world economically. But somehow making the gov't and corporations smaller is too crazy to consider.

    There is no perfection here on earth... yet.
    And I think at this point Thomas Sowell's remark seems about right.
    "there are no solutions only trade offs".

    But the ultimate Goal is HUMAN flourishing & personal freedom (under God), not CORPORATE flourishing with unchecked freedoms or BIG GOVT Flourishing with unchecked freedoms and power.
    Corporations & Gov'ts are TOOLS for the ultimate Goal of HUMAN flourishing not the other way around.
    If you can see my comments through that lens I think you'll see the consistency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Here's the thing I think you miss about my POV.
    The only sacred ideology I have is GOD and his word.

    For me it's right & proper to call out problems everywhere there is one.
    There ARE no sacred institutions or ideologies or economic forms. Only some that are somewhat better than others.

    Capitalism is good ...to a point... as a tool, not an ultimate goal or foundation for life.
    Govt is good ...to a point... as a tool, not as ultimate authority over every, or even MOST, aspects of life.

    When either assumes too much power, separately or in cooperation, they can and do act in ways that harm.
    And when they have outsized scale they can do outsized harm.

    As far as solutions go
    I think I've made that clear over the years.
    Gov't acting closer to the constitutional limits. And corporations limited in scope, and limited in influence in the gov't. and excluded from the monetary controls.
    Opening up far more options, opportunities & responsibilities all down the line. Rather than the one size fits all top down 'solutions' & controls from corporate & govt overlords.
    I've been told this is too "idealistic" to reach. Not that it won't work.
    But it's amazing to me how we can elect all of the Horrific candidates who believe things like men can have babies and the U.S. military can police the world economically. But somehow making the gov't and corporations smaller is too crazy to consider.

    There is no perfection here on earth... yet.
    And I think at this point Thomas Sowell's remark seems about right.
    "there are no solutions only trade offs".

    But the ultimate Goal is HUMAN flourishing & personal freedom (under God), not CORPORATE flourishing with unchecked freedoms or BIG GOVT Flourishing with unchecked freedoms and power.
    Corporations & Gov'ts are TOOLS for the ultimate Goal of HUMAN flourishing not the other way around.
    If you can see my comments through that lens I think you'll see the consistency.
    I don't know that I miss it but let's say that I agree with it wholeheartedly. Where is my argument different?

    I believe that capitalism is good. Other people think it's good to a point. Where is that point and who gets to decide when it hits that point? Government is the only entity able to do that. No one can be forced to do business with a corporation, unless you're talking about the company store which may also not really be capitalism anyway, and there are options at not doing business with it or working for it. The problem is that once the government has decided that point then they start making decisions that pervert every decision beyond that point and, I'll argue, even before that point is reached. Those decisions may sound good at the time and are probably fairly benign, and possibly even helpful (to a group), but years down the road it becomes lost that the program that "fixed" the problem had unintended consequences and people start demanding that capitalism is good to a different point. Corporations, as an institution, are not evil.

    I believe that government is good... to a point. And that is a very limited point. Government can force, government can require, government can demand, government can kill lawfully, etc. Only government, as an institution, can do outsize harm.

    I don't think you realize about the POV of most here; we wish for smaller government, closer to constitutional limits, with increased protections for life, liberty, property. From what you've presented in this thread I'm not sure how what you've proposed gets you closer to what you desire.
    "when socialism fails, blame capitalism and demand more socialism." - A friend
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    “Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear.” - Paulo Coelho


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    I think the difference might be that all the equipment, bed, wheelchair, bathroom modifications, were done before hospice. I probably should have paid more attention, but my dad was handling all and just complaining once in awhile how it shouldn't be penalized for caring at home.
    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    I think that depends on so many factors, how much money you have or don't have being primary.



    Before my dad passed they did at-home hospice where my mom took care of the day-to-day and the hospice folks delivered whatever was needed, hospital bed probably being the biggest thing, and I don't recall any questions of cost. I'm guessing medicare and veteran status were helpful or just being in a smaller market like Kalamazoo, MI.
    That's pretty much how it was in my family. The modifications and special equipment were already in house to provide for day to day living before things went downhill. That was for my great grandmother and grandmother. Stepfather had to be put in a home where he could be confined and watched because he had dementia.

    All that, whatever it amounted to, came out of pocket.
    “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke

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