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    Isnt the SDF the ones the "rebels" wanted deafeated not long ago, when the rebrls were alnusra & isis?
    Maybe we can work with Turkey. The Turkish leader can change. change his ways. Keep his word. He's a NATO ally too.
    But if we're going to RUSH TO CONTAIN, are we doing the same for Israel? Since Israel has a on going massive offensive against the Syrian territory too? And they arent even a NATO ally. do we need to rush to contain them from them from the attacks the needy Syrian forces are under ?

    1984
    We're always at war with eastasia, we were never at war with East East Asia. East Asia is our friend....

    Nothing makes sense unless you see it for what it is, simple plays for power, land & resources. Not so soft imperialism.
    US Israel and most of the NATO countries VS Russia China & the rest of the world.

    I know folks love to cling to the veneer of good guys bad guys, but it's mostly BS.
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    I have zero issue with Israel taking out advanced weaponry and chemical weapons facilities. Since no one really knows how far HTS's control goes and there are more than a few factions in Syria, seems like a wise decision. Nobody needs sarin and chlorine chemical weapons. I could care less who took them out and I hope whoever used them burns in Hell.

    Israel had to go and bail out the UN buffer zone force that was under attack. Israel has stated the movements were temporary pending who or what ends up in control of Syria. I don't have an issue with what Israel has done so far. My only desire for it to stop is because each and everything Israel does feeds the trolls.

    Meanwhile, Erdogan's proxies are killing civilians and driving the from their homes and nobody gives a flip because they're too busy nitpicking Israel. Genocide's okay so long as you're on the right team
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    I have zero issue with Israel taking out advanced weaponry and chemical weapons facilities. Since no one really knows how far HTS's control goes and there are more than a few factions in Syria, seems like a wise decision. Nobody needs sarin and chlorine chemical weapons. I could care less who took them out and I hope whoever used them burns in Hell.

    Israel had to go and bail out the UN buffer zone force that was under attack. Israel has stated the movements were temporary pending who or what ends up in control of Syria. I don't have an issue with what Israel has done so far. My only desire for it to stop is because each and everything Israel does feeds the trolls.

    Meanwhile, Erdogan's proxies are killing civilians and driving the from their homes and nobody gives a flip because they're too busy nitpicking Israel. Genocide's okay so long as you're on the right team

    Israeli attacks in Syria kill civilians
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...K&opi=89978449

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...C&opi=89978449

    Concerning chemical weapons facilities you seemed to care when Russia was getting rid of Ukrainian chemical "research" facilities.

    Ok wait, Syria's chemical plants were just chemical "research" facilities too, for agriculture.


    Gunny c'mon the fact is you don't care what Israel or the US does to or in foreign countries, whatever it is it's justified.
    If I'm wrong here please give me 1 example each where the US or Israel did something wrong. Not a mistake, but an actual crime or take unjust proxy control of a country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Israeli attacks in Syria kill civilians
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...K&opi=89978449

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...C&opi=89978449

    Concerning chemical weapons facilities you seemed to care when Russia was getting rid of Ukrainian chemical "research" facilities.

    Ok wait, Syria's chemical plants were just chemical "research" facilities too, for agriculture.


    Gunny c'mon the fact is you don't care what Israel or the US does to or in foreign countries, whatever it is it's justified.
    If I'm wrong here please give me 1 example each where the US or Israel did something wrong. Not a mistake, but an actual crime or take unjust proxy control of a country.
    Context. I care that Russia has launched and unprovoked war in Ukraine. Russia getting rid of anything is by very action illegal.

    Don't know how many times I need to point out that Ukraine's former Soviet Union chemical/bio labs are under international control. Inconvenient truth?

    Don't know how many times I have stated I am 110% against ALL nuclear, chemical and bio weapons. Again, context: possessing nuclear weapons as deterrent against nuclear armed states such as Russia and China is a necessary evil since they both are evil in intent. I would prefer NO ONE have them.

    I'm not playing your attempted moral equivalency game. Who the bad guys are is quite obvious to most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Context. I care that Russia has launched and unprovoked war in Ukraine. Russia getting rid of anything is by very action illegal.

    Don't know how many times I need to point out that Ukraine's former Soviet Union chemical/bio labs are under international control. Inconvenient truth?

    Don't know how many times I have stated I am 110% against ALL nuclear, chemical and bio weapons. Again, context: possessing nuclear weapons as deterrent against nuclear armed states such as Russia and China is a necessary evil since they both are evil in intent. I would prefer NO ONE have them.

    I'm not playing your attempted moral equivalency game. Who the bad guys are is quite obvious to most.

    Context... right.
    If the U.S. has it or does it, it's Ok.
    If people we don't like, or are in competition with, at the moment has them or does the same, it's evil.
    Because we're the 'good guys', sure, it is fairly obvious man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Context... right.
    If the U.S. has it or does it, it's Ok.
    If people we don't like, or are in competition with, at the moment has them or does the same, it's evil.
    Because we're the 'good guys', sure, it is fairly obvious man.
    The people doing what it takes to combat evil are morally superior. Context: Good vs evil. It isn't God vs Satan. There is no perfection among men. A standard you hold the US and allies to while not holding evil to any standard at all.

    The US is far from perfect. Still along ways away from the evil men you choose to defend.

    I DO have a question though: If you and those who think like you believe it is so damned bad here and we're so evil, why are you still here? It's not that hard to get into any of these countries you support over your own. For as long as you last before you get kidnapped, tortured or worse. Just curious. I don't understand the math being used to stay someplace you hate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    The people doing what it takes to combat evil are morally superior. Context: Good vs evil. It isn't God vs Satan. There is no perfection among men. A standard you hold the US and allies to while not holding evil to any standard at all.

    The US is far from perfect. Still along ways away from the evil men you choose to defend.

    I DO have a question though: If you and those who think like you believe it is so damned bad here and we're so evil, why are you still here? It's not that hard to get into any of these countries you support over your own. For as long as you last before you get kidnapped, tortured or worse. Just curious. I don't understand the math being used to stay someplace you hate.
    If all the families on your town, including yours, are in the mafia, does it make sense to pretend otherwise?
    Is it moral to deny that your brothers steal, harass extort & kill as well as send all your cousins to college and got your mom life giving medical care and a nice house?
    Is it honest to say your family is "good"? Are there other families that are worse. absolutely.
    Can our family be better. YES. can we actually live closer to (not perfection) the "morally superiority" hype we promote. If we don't deny or justify all the wrong we do.
    Should we tell OUR family that WE should stop killing & stealing. And stop pretending it's all "good", rather than primarily to make the family richer.
    Do you think the other families ...as bad as they are... don't see it for what it is?
    Do you think God doesn't see it for what it is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    If all the families on your town, including yours, are in the mafia, does it make sense to pretend otherwise?
    Is it moral to deny that your brothers steal, harass extort & kill as well as send all your cousins to college and got your mom life giving medical care and a nice house?
    Is it honest to say your family is "good"? Are there other families that are worse. absolutely.
    Can our family be better. YES. can we actually live closer to (not perfection) the "morally superiority" hype we promote. If we don't deny or justify all the wrong we do.
    Should we tell OUR family that WE should stop killing & stealing. And stop pretending it's all "good", rather than primarily to make the family richer.
    Do you think the other families ...as bad as they are... don't see it for what it is?
    Do you think God doesn't see it for what it is?
    Conclusion based on false/arbitrary pretext that "all the families in the town are in the Mafia". I would suggest "all the families in the town" that I see in real life are not in the Mafia. Rather, you (and more than a few others) are judging every family based on the antics of vocal minorities that have found audiences for their skewed imaginations on the internet where most face zero consequences for the lies and distortions they spew.

    The fallacy to your stance is your starting point is that we should all shame ourselves into inaction and castigate ourselves on the altar because all we do is wrong and that begging forgiveness from your judgement is far more important than getting on with our lives and addressing now and/or the near future. Our "error" of being human and making mistakes is a FAR more serious crime against Man and God than those that are transparently evil, of evil intent, and are destroying everyone and everything that gets in their way.

    There is no moral equivalency between trying to do the right thing and making mistakes, and starting out to do the wrong thing regardless the harm it causes others. There IS however moral superiority in the former. There is no morality to the latter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Conclusion based on false/arbitrary pretext that "all the families in the town are in the Mafia". I would suggest "all the families in the town" that I see in real life are not in the Mafia. Rather, you (and more than a few others) are judging every family based on the antics of vocal minorities that have found audiences for their skewed imaginations on the internet where most face zero consequences for the lies and distortions they spew.

    The fallacy to your stance is your starting point is that we should all shame ourselves into inaction and castigate ourselves on the altar because all we do is wrong and that begging forgiveness from your judgement is far more important than getting on with our lives and addressing now and/or the near future. Our "error" of being human and making mistakes is a FAR more serious crime against Man and God than those that are transparently evil, of evil intent, and are destroying everyone and everything that gets in their way.

    There is no moral equivalency between trying to do the right thing and making mistakes, and starting out to do the wrong thing regardless the harm it causes others. There IS however moral superiority in the former. There is no morality to the latter.
    I say you're in denial about our primarily self serving actions over the decades of our lives that has killed millions and reaped billions.
    Few nations have matched our numbers as the cause of foreign dead body count.

    You say I'm imagining selfish intent and that the millions dead and billions reaped were all justified or because of well meaning "mistakes".

    We disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    I say you're in denial about our primarily self serving actions over the decades of our lives that has killed millions and reaped billions.
    Few nations have matched our numbers as the cause of foreign dead body count.

    You say I'm imagining selfish intent and that the millions dead and billions reaped were all justified or because of well meaning "mistakes".

    We disagree.
    All Nations and people act out of self-interest. Survival is a primal instinct. It still doesn't equal your skewed version of it. Like it or not, this is one of, if not the best nations in the World, and you can count the rest on one hand with fingers left over. YOU? You couldn't survive in a single one of these countries you defend from the comfort of your American home bought with your American money at your American job. Not if you act there like you do here. They'd kill you outright for running your mouth about how horrible it is.

    You know that. It's the answer to my previous question why all you people that claim to hate the US don't just leave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    All Nations and people act out of self-interest. Survival is a primal instinct. It still doesn't equal your skewed version of it. Like it or not, this is one of, if not the best nations in the World, and you can count the rest on one hand with fingers left over. YOU? You couldn't survive in a single one of these countries you defend from the comfort of your American home bought with your American money at your American job. Not if you act there like you do here. They'd kill you outright for running your mouth about how horrible it is.

    You know that. It's the answer to my previous question why all you people that claim to hate the US don't just leave.
    So people (like you?) think I should STHU & be grateful... as OUR country becomes more & more like all the rest of these countries & other countries of history. In the name of more so-called SAFETY & our RELATIVE goodness. We should all just watch our elected officials pissing on the constitution & be grateful for the growing police state because everywhere else is worse.
    That everyone should STHU about the U.S. govt & corps fomenting BS wars, maiming & killing millions, and stealing billion$ in all those "bad" foreign countries because it's worse over there.
    Great plan gunny.

    Well this govt shut up the president of the U.S. from major media for saying things negative about way things are done here. & simply saying "populous" things.
    MLK was killed, MX was killed, JFK was killed, Trump was shot at, many people in THIS country have been killed, imprisoned, gagged & smeared for saying things like I've said. I complain that U.S. is becoming MORE like other countries. And not like a country constrained by the constitution, with freedoms and high morals that it pretends to be. AND I point out the obvious, that the U.S. is acting imperialistically in our foreign policy. Not out of a sense of "survival" but for the same reasons historically that England, Portugal, Spain, China, Rome etc did.
    Sadly, for various reasons, that's a hard pill for you & many other Americans to swallow. I get it, i wasn't raised to have that view either. But it is what it is.
    Anyone who wants to be honest can see it.
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