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    Default Is Syria's Julani part of a rising generation of younger Middle East leaders?

    “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke

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    "What the US, UK governments, Turkey & Qatar have done with their new HTS junta in Syria - is give international terrorism its largest platform ever - effectively legitimising the ideology and mass killing of Al-Qaeda & ISIS going forward. It also nullifies the entire ‘war on terror’.

    Considering the sheer barbarism we have witnessed Israel along with its military backers in US, UK & NATO have done against the Palestinians over the last 14 months, we can confidently say their new world order is institutionalized terror.

    Very dark times indeed."

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    The evolution of Jawlani.
    He's still not quite where Europe & the U.S. wants him to be.

    Last edited by revelarts; 12-19-2024 at 05:13 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post


    "What the US, UK governments, Turkey & Qatar have done with their new HTS junta in Syria - is give international terrorism its largest platform ever - effectively legitimising the ideology and mass killing of Al-Qaeda & ISIS going forward. It also nullifies the entire ‘war on terror’.

    Considering the sheer barbarism we have witnessed Israel along with its military backers in US, UK & NATO have done against the Palestinians over the last 14 months, we can confidently say their new world order is institutionalized terror.

    Very dark times indeed."

    Patrick Henningsen
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    Or, this guy is what he claims to be and is trying to do what he claims he is. The US and UK had nothing to do with it, btw. This was a Turkey deal the whole way. If for no other reason than you can tell by how al-Jolani is conducting himself and business. He didn't learn that from AQ.

    If he turns out to be a POS, nothing lost. If he turns out to be even somewhat democratic and good for his word then that's one less asshole and one less problem in the ME. Where's your altruism, "Give peace a chance" and all that?
    “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke

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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    "What the US...
    What did we do?
    "when socialism fails, blame capitalism and demand more socialism." - A friend
    "You know the difference between libs and right-wingers? Libs STFU when evidence refutes their false beliefs." - Another friend
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    What did we do?
    You're obviously not up on your Iranian news. It is a US/Israel conspiracy that Turkey supported Islamic rebels to overthrow Assad's regime
    “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke

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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    What did we do?
    A lot for long time.

    Rep. Thomas Massie Drops Explosive Claim Against the US Govt Over Syria
    Something stinks about the whole situation.

    https://vigilantnews.com/post/rep-th...vt-over-syria/

    the military, CIA & Saudi Arabia began this effort to overthrow Assad back in the Obama Admin with 'Operation Timber Sycamore' with over 1 billion U.S. dollar is known to have been spent back then.
    The effort to unseat Assad has been ongoing for every administration. With U.S. troop illegally on the ground there since Obama.
    Alliances with jihadist who are known terrorist & torturers etc.

    2016 article by former ambassador J Sachs talking about the agenda in the early days
    https://www.project-syndicate.org/co...-sachs-2016-08
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    A lot for long time.
    I'll reemphasize.

    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    "What the US... have done with their new HTS junta in Syria...
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    Default Who's been funding the HTS rebels now in control of Syria?

    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    A lot for long time.

    Rep. Thomas Massie Drops Explosive Claim Against the US Govt Over Syria
    Something stinks about the whole situation.

    https://vigilantnews.com/post/rep-th...vt-over-syria/

    the military, CIA & Saudi Arabia began this effort to overthrow Assad back in the Obama Admin with 'Operation Timber Sycamore' with over 1 billion U.S. dollar is known to have been spent back then.
    The effort to unseat Assad has been ongoing for every administration. With U.S. troop illegally on the ground there since Obama.
    Alliances with jihadist who are known terrorist & torturers etc.

    2016 article by former ambassador J Sachs talking about the agenda in the early days
    https://www.project-syndicate.org/co...-sachs-2016-08
    Whoops. No conspiracy. Again

    Who funds HTS rebels now in control of Syria? : NPR
    “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    I'm sure
    In Syria, militias armed by the Pentagon fight those armed by the CIA
    https://www.latimes.com/world/middle...327-story.html
    By Nabih Bulos, W.J. Hennigan, Brian Bennett
    March 27, 2016 5 AM PT

    Reporting from Amman, Jordan — Syrian militias armed by different parts of the U.S. war machine have begun to fight each other on the plains between the besieged city of Aleppo and the Turkish border, highlighting how little control U.S. intelligence officers and military planners have over the groups they have financed and trained in the bitter five-year-old civil war.

    The fighting has intensified over the last two months, as CIA-armed units and Pentagon-armed ones have repeatedly shot at each other while maneuvering through contested territory on the northern outskirts of Aleppo, U.S. officials and rebel leaders have confirmed....

    CIA funding & training of various Isil, Al nusra, and even "moderate" AQ has gone on for years.
    Training camps in Lebanon no less
    But ALL of that stopped ONG AGO... last year, 2 years ago ... never?
    And none of the equipment ever "fell" into the hands of terrorist.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ida-affiliates


    FYI
    for my reference

    https://web.archive.org/web/20140920...sis-syria.html
    https://web.archive.org/web/20140909...east-1948.html
    https://web.archive.org/web/20130329...-aid.html?_r=0
    https://web.archive.org/web/20190501...ublishing.html
    https://web.archive.org/web/20190501...ublishing.html
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    ...evidence suggesting Ukraine has assisted the group’s triumph continues to mount. Namely, the Washington Post reported Tuesday that Ukraine sent 150 first-person-view drones and 20 drone operators to Idlib about a month ago.
    The New York Times reported earlier this month, moreover, that Ukraine and HTS were coordinating efforts including “countering Russian misinformation and providing medical assistance.” The reporting also highlighted Ukrainian intelligence head Kyrylo Budanov’s repeated suggestions that Ukraine would target its enemy Russia internationally.
    Washington Post columnist David Ignatius musedthat Ukraine’s intentions for assisting HTS were obvious, writing that the war-torn nation was looking for other ways to “bloody Russia’s nose and undermine its clients.” In turn, a source told the New York Times that the HTS offensive in Syria was likewise timed in part to strike a blow against mutual enemy Russia.
    Indeed, Russian officials have repeatedly complained that Ukraine and HTS collaborate within an intelligence or military capacity. As Russia’s special representative for Syria, Alexander Lavrentyev, told Russian News Agency TASS in November: “We do indeed have information that Ukrainian specialists from the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine are on the territory of Idlib.”...
    https://responsiblestatecraft.org/ukraine-syria/
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    ...evidence suggesting Ukraine has assisted the group’s triumph continues to mount. Namely, the Washington Post reported Tuesday that Ukraine sent 150 first-person-view drones and 20 drone operators to Idlib about a month ago.
    The New York Times reported earlier this month, moreover, that Ukraine and HTS were coordinating efforts including “countering Russian misinformation and providing medical assistance.” The reporting also highlighted Ukrainian intelligence head Kyrylo Budanov’s repeated suggestions that Ukraine would target its enemy Russia internationally.
    Washington Post columnist David Ignatius musedthat Ukraine’s intentions for assisting HTS were obvious, writing that the war-torn nation was looking for other ways to “bloody Russia’s nose and undermine its clients.” In turn, a source told the New York Times that the HTS offensive in Syria was likewise timed in part to strike a blow against mutual enemy Russia.
    Indeed, Russian officials have repeatedly complained that Ukraine and HTS collaborate within an intelligence or military capacity. As Russia’s special representative for Syria, Alexander Lavrentyev, told Russian News Agency TASS in November: “We do indeed have information that Ukrainian specialists from the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine are on the territory of Idlib.”...
    https://responsiblestatecraft.org/ukraine-syria/
    Not seeing a problem. Common enemy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Not seeing a problem. Common enemy.
    "I see noTHING!"

    Not even the hidden hand.
    "Ukrainians" helped the HTS Rebels, makes sense.
    Those Ukrainians are so self-sufficient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    "I see noTHING!"

    Not even the hidden hand.
    "Ukrainians" helped the HTS Rebels, makes sense.
    Those Ukrainians are so self-sufficient.
    Ukraine helped with some drones. Ukraine has been making its own drones for quite some time. Ukraine is at war with Russia. Russia propped up Assad.

    Nothing hidden about it and it's not hard math.

    "Seeing nothing" that you see is indicative of nothing.
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    The Saudi Abdullah al-Muhaysini used to dress brainless young men in suicide vests and send them to terrorist missions in Syria.
    Now, he is preaching in the capital of "Free Syria."
    https://www.counterextremism.com/ext...h-al-muhaysini


    ..........
    Also
    New temporary prime minister?

    US military 'targeted' French jihadist
    - February 11, 2017
    Rachid Kassim, who is suspected of having inspired several attacks in France,
    has been targeted in an airstrike near Mosul in Iraq. His death has not been confirmed in the attack.
    (Also Cut a Priest Throat.)
    https://www.dw.com/en/pentagon-says-...kes/a-37507158




    same guy?
    .
    .
    "State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller declined to say whether Washington would change HTS's designation as a foreign terrorist organization, which prevents the U.S. from assisting it.
    "We have seen over the years any number of militant groups who have seized power, who have promised that they would respect minorities, who have promised that they would respect religious freedom, promised that they would govern in an inclusive way, and then see them fail to meet those promises," he said."
    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...er-2024-12-10/



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