*California FireFighters: Helping Burn Down California*

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. But I have been watching this fire fight in California, and the Fire Fighters are not fighting, but standing by and watching.
2. Back Fires, etc.
3. Its insane what they get away with calling *Fire Fighting*.
4. They could be all standing around drinking beer, and no one would be surprised.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[hjmick]

You obviously have never experienced the intensity of these dry, hot Santa Ana winds.

With gusts upwards of 80 to 90 mph, sustained winds in the neighborhood of 30 to 40 mph, vertical canyon walls and steep hills covered in dry brush that hasn't been cleared or burned in years and hasn't seen any substantial rain for longer than it's been growing, there is little or nothing they can do except try to protect the homes in the area of the fires. With the winds blowing chunks of burning embers, even protecting the homes is next to impossible.

There are hand crews on the ground doing their very best to try and cut fire breaks in the hill sides at great risk to their own safety in 90 degree heat, dry howling winds, and blowing coals.

In winds like the ones we are experiencing it is a risky proposition at best to get the planes and helicopters up, but they do it. For the most part, the wind disperses the water and Phoscheck they drop before it hits the ground making it ineffective, yet still they fly.

The men and women who are fighting these fires are working damn hard and I suggest you pull on some boots and get out there with them before you cast dispersions on their efforts.

[82Marine89]

Sorry bout that,

1. But I have been watching this fire fight in California, and the Fire Fighters are not fighting, but standing by and watching.
2. Back Fires, etc.
3. Its insane what they get away with calling *Fire Fighting*.
4. They could be all standing around drinking beer, and no one would be surprised.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Hey fuckstick why don't you move to California and fight the fires yourself? You try and battle 200 foot walls of flames. Right now there are almost 20 people in the UCSD burn center, half of the firemen, 5 in serious condition. You have no idea what these guys and gals are up against.

I've been sucking smoke all day and my trucks AC system reeks. Here are some photos of what these guys are up against, so until you've stood in their boots, you need to shut the fuck up.

[JackDaniels]

Sorry bout that,

1. But I have been watching this fire fight in California, and the Fire Fighters are not fighting, but standing by and watching.
2. Back Fires, etc.
3. Its insane what they get away with calling *Fire Fighting*.
4. They could be all standing around drinking beer, and no one would be surprised.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

You really don't know much about anything.

[glockmail]

I think this is God's way of telling us:
1. Don't overpopulate the desert.
2. Timber is for harvesting, not whining over.

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. But personal attacks warms me heart.
2. When people like you want to attack the messenger, it only shows how demented you are.
3. I think you have aggression issues.
4. I have my opinion on California Fire Fighters.
5. I have lived there and know what its like there with the Santa Anna Winds etc.
6. Watch the footage of firemen, most are just dabbing some water on an area where it seems like they are trying to smother it with mist.
7. I don't appreciate ass holes attacking my relevant opinions.
8. But it still warms me heart, Hehehehe,........

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[JackDaniels]

Sorry bout that,

1. But personal attacks warms me heart.
2. When people like you want to attack the messenger, it only shows how demented you are.
3. I think you have aggression issues.
4. I have my opinion on California Fire Fighters.
5. I have lived there and know what its like there with the Santa Anna Winds etc.
6. Watch the footage of firemen, most are just dabbing some water on an area where it seems like they are trying to smother it with mist.
7. I don't appreciate ass holes attacking my relevant opinions.
8. But it still warms me heart, Hehehehe,........

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

It's not one person telling you you're a moron...it's everyone.

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. Ahhh an old fashion flame war eh???
2. Where else to have a flame war than a *Fire Fighters Lame Work* thread?
3. Look Neoliberal, no one really cares what you think.
4. At least I don't give a crap what you think about me.
5. But if you want to attack me, bring it on Jack, it warms me heart.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[JackDaniels]

Sorry bout that,

1. Ahhh an old fashion flame war eh???
2. Where else to have a flame war than a *Fire Fighters Lame Work* thread?
3. Look Neoliberal, no one really cares what you think.
4. At least I don't give a crap what you think about me.
5. But if you want to attack me, bring it on Jack, it warms me heart.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Umm..do you read English? All you have to do with look at the replies to this thread.

[82Marine89]

Sorry bout that,

1. But personal attacks warms me heart.
2. When people like you want to attack the messenger, it only shows how demented you are.
3. I think you have aggression issues.
4. I have my opinion on California Fire Fighters.
5. I have lived there and know what its like there with the Santa Anna Winds etc.
6. Watch the footage of firemen, most are just dabbing some water on an area where it seems like they are trying to smother it with mist.
7. I don't appreciate ass holes attacking my relevant opinions.
8. But it still warms me heart, Hehehehe,........

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Until you've stood in their boots, I'll continue to call you a fuckstick. Look at those pictures and tell me your plan of attack. Tell the board how the TexasRetard would fight these fires. Amaze us with your wealth of fire fighting knowledge.

[82Marine89]

Here's a couple more photo's of what it's like...

[Sitarro]

Sorry bout that,

1. But I have been watching this fire fight in California, and the Fire Fighters are not fighting, but standing by and watching.
2. Back Fires, etc.
3. Its insane what they get away with calling *Fire Fighting*.
4. They could be all standing around drinking beer, and no one would be surprised.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

I have lived in Southern California and volunteered to work on a few fires. How can you possibly judge the job they are doing from a few seconds of video on the news. Those men and women are some of the hardest working people on the planet and work in an environment that is not only deadly dangerous but incredibly demanding on the body and equipment. I salute them all and have no doubt that they are busting their asses to do what is possible to save lives and property at the risk of their own.

[82Marine89]

Click the satellite photo to enlarge it. That's smoke, not rain.

http://www.weatherunderground.com/ra...s=1&rainsnow=0

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

Until you've stood in their boots, I'll continue to call you a fuckstick. Look at those pictures and tell me your plan of attack. Tell the board how the TexasRetard would fight these fires. Amaze us with your wealth of fire fighting knowledge.

1. But my opinion of you just hit the dirt.
2. I can have my opinion, whatever you want to call me.
3. So go and **** yourself pal.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[diuretic]

I live in a semi-arid part of Australia that has experienced some terrible bushfires over the years, I'm not a firefighter (metro or bushfire fighter) but I have had training in bushfire management due to my job. Your objectors are quite right Chess, firefighting isn't simply putting water onto a fire. With this type of huge bushfire it's a question of management. Backburning is one tool that firefighters use to try and slow and limit the progress of a fire by taking out fuel in a controlled manner. Backburning is extremely hazardous and here many firefighters have been killed because of a wind shift.

The Santa Ana conditions there come from the desert and head towards the ocean I think. Very similar to here except our winds come from the desert from the north an north-west. Those winds are creating, with the fires, micro-climates. Those micro-climates operate like compound interest does in finance, they massively complicate weather and therefore the activity of the fire. But it's possible to predict fire behaviour and that's how it's done here and no doubt in other bushfire-prone areas. We have had firefighters from California, Washington, Oregon, Idaho etc come here and help us fight our fires and we have sent our people to the western states to help out (good that we have opposing seasons).

There is some good info here - http://www.bbm.csiro.au/

Anyway, fighting a set of fires like this is akin to fighting a war. The generals direct their resources strategically and from what I' ve seen that's what is happening in SoCal.