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    Sanctifying Slaughter
    http://educate-yourself.org/cn/kamin...r24jun06.shtml
    By John Kaminski <skylax@comcast.net>


    Original title
    The wine in the chalice: Sanctifying slaughter with a satisfying sip of Old Testament poison

    Sunday morning. Sunlight streams through stained glass. Your knees hurt against the thin carpet of the altar as you contemplate the wine in the chalice as it edges slowly toward you along a line of kneeling worshippers. Finally, the Episcopal priest reaches you, and you savor the sweet burgundy that helps you pry that paper thin wafer off the roof of your mouth.

    Ah, the blood and body of the savior. Sunday morning coming down. Praise God. Christianity is founded on the twin principles of cannibalism and child sacrifice, on Hebrew hallucinations (according to Freud) of a burning bush, and a god who pretends to be better than all the other gods in the neighborhood.

    This god kills anyone who stands in his way, according to the Old Testament of the much-tampered-with Judeo-Christian Bible — which governs all but the Hindus and the Buddhists among the world's major religions. That's right. Catholics, Protestants, Muslims and Jews are all in the same boat in one sense, in that they venerate this ugly tradition of murder and robbery for any excuse they deem to be righteous.

    As individual human beings, we act out what we believe. And this is what we have been taught.

    You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20

    Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10

    Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16

    Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7

    Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13

    Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

    People who wish to believe in a guiding spirit of the universe are paralyzed by the contradictions between believing what they know to be true in their hearts by virtue of the love that they feel for their families, but witnessing their intellectual belief systems being cut up into little pieces by credible empirical analyses that reveal the psychological deformities and contrived frauds of the world's most famous holy book. Ultimately, our intellects fail us, and we seek refuge in our old familiar paradigms.

    Why? Because of the obvious human existential dilemma — one day in everyone's life, we reach a point where knowledge may not go, where understanding will not bring enlightenment, and you either know or you don't, according to whatever you prefer, or whatever your parents taught you.

    People who don't believe in some all-encompassing external system of principles and laws are caught up in the exterior analyses of these matters and produce such irrefutable evidence of fraud, malfeasance and ulterior motive in the creation of holy scriptures that those who wish to believe can only turn away in a withered silence.

    Yet most of these true believers retain their knowing through the sheer power of blind faith, and refuse to be shaken out of it by facile intellectual arguments, no matter how logical they may be.

    The foundations of existing religions need to be attacked by sincere logic. This is not about questioning the existence of God; it's about understanding the psychological marching orders of Leviticus and Deuteronomy and beginning to realize that the very way we think is causing the destruction of the planet that sustains us.

    Any resemblance to the continuing extermination of innocent Iraqis and Palestinians is not purely coincidental.

    It was all foretold in the Old Testament, you see, with the pronouncement in Zephaniah 1:17.

    “And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the Lord: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.”

    John Kaminski

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    do you only hate christianity or judaism, or is this hatred for all religions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by actsnoblemartin View Post
    do you only hate christianity or judaism, or is this hatred for all religions?

    Most organized religions. Morality doesn't need a divine justification. Those who insist on divine justifications for THEIR morality are trying to screw you.

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    i think one of the key things is that those are OT verses.


    but...oh well...guess i should start a Holy War since i need to follow rules of so long ago
    Does Monkeybone have to choke a bitch?
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" —Benjamin Franklin, 1759

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    Atleast your consistent

    Quote Originally Posted by TheSage View Post
    Most organized religions. Morality doesn't need a divine justification. Those who insist on divine justifications for THEIR morality are trying to screw you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkeybone View Post
    i think one of the key things is that those are OT verses.


    And they are removed from context.
    “… the greatest detractor from high performance is fear: fear that you are not prepared, fear that you are in over your head, fear that you are not worthy, and ultimately, fear of failure. If you can eliminate that fear—not through arrogance or just wishing difficulties away, but through hard work and preparation—you will put yourself in an incredibly powerful position to take on the challenges you face" - Pete Carroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    And they are removed from context.
    Yes. In context, "Kill" transliterates into "love". It's magical.

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    See - you're betraying the intent of the author when you cherry-pick lines of text to further your agenda.
    “… the greatest detractor from high performance is fear: fear that you are not prepared, fear that you are in over your head, fear that you are not worthy, and ultimately, fear of failure. If you can eliminate that fear—not through arrogance or just wishing difficulties away, but through hard work and preparation—you will put yourself in an incredibly powerful position to take on the challenges you face" - Pete Carroll.

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    When I was a kid I used to like reading the Old Testament. I mean, what kid wouldn't? Talk about drugs, sex and rock and roll...and lots of killing and spectres and pestilences and really good stuff.

    The New Testament I thought (as a kid) was, well, vanilla.

    Being baptised and educated as a Catholic the Bible didn't feature largely in my religious education, the Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church was much more influential and to a very large degree I found it a bit more comforting.

    But jeez that Old Testament, nothing could get near that for good reading.

    Why is that? Is it that the Old Testament had to be written/composed in a really authoritarian manner, to get the "thou shalt/thou shalt not" message across? And is is that the New Testament was meant to reflect the teachings of Christ, who really did (apart from a few times when He let fly) tone it all down?

    I'm not convinced by either, that's the truth of it. The Old Testament is about scaring the crap out of people and putting the fear of God into them. The New Testament is so totally different that it's hard to accept that Jesus was God (the one in the Old Testament) but given the form of a human. Somewhere something had changed radically. Why the sudden change? On the one hand there's a God who tricks Abraham into nearly topping his kid and in the other there's a Messiah who wanted us to love one another.

    And they say in Hollywood the sequel is never as good as the original.

    Apparently not so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    See - you're betraying the intent of the author when you cherry-pick lines of text to further your agenda.
    That sounds nice. Too bad the society depicted in the old testament REALLY IS a violent, ethnic supremacist, tribalistic theocracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSage View Post
    That sounds nice. Too bad the society depicted in the old testament REALLY IS a violent, ethnic supremacist, tribalistic theocracy.

    What I said wasn't only nice, it's true!

    But which society? You mean the folks who enslaved the jews? You mean the folk God lead the jews against?
    “… the greatest detractor from high performance is fear: fear that you are not prepared, fear that you are in over your head, fear that you are not worthy, and ultimately, fear of failure. If you can eliminate that fear—not through arrogance or just wishing difficulties away, but through hard work and preparation—you will put yourself in an incredibly powerful position to take on the challenges you face" - Pete Carroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    What I said wasn't only nice, it's true!

    But which society? You mean the folks who enslaved the jews? You mean the folk God lead the jews against?


    Yes there are different phases of the story. The ancient world was composed of various forms of totalitarian theocracy and the like. That's why in modern times we consider theocratic and ethnic supremacist regimes to be obsolete, but you noahide christians have your head straight up your ass. I mean perfectly straight, not at an angle or anything.

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    noahide? What's that? Are you just making shit up again?
    “… the greatest detractor from high performance is fear: fear that you are not prepared, fear that you are in over your head, fear that you are not worthy, and ultimately, fear of failure. If you can eliminate that fear—not through arrogance or just wishing difficulties away, but through hard work and preparation—you will put yourself in an incredibly powerful position to take on the challenges you face" - Pete Carroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    noahide? What's that? Are you just making shit up again?

    Noahide? It's a non jew accepts that jews are the chosen people and is subservient to them. And concedes to live by the noahide laws, which forbid other religions, and place all jews as a race of priests above everyone else.

    http://www.noahide.com/movement.htm
    The Hasidic Gentile Movement
    The following assortment of articles and essays provide information on some aspects of the proper means by which to bring about the Hasidic Gentile movement, based on the explanations and directives of the Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, head of the Chabad Lubavitch Hasidic movement.

    The Law is Only a Minimum The Seven Noahide Laws are only the very minimal observance for gentiles. To accomplish our G-d–given mission, we must dedicate all of our resources to serve G-d. For this reason, Hasidic Gentiles should adopt additional mitzvos, including those described in this essay. Please note that this discussion is only a general outline and not a working plan.
    A Universal Prayer Guide for Hasidic Gentiles This is the 2nd edition of a document formerly entitled "The Rules of Prayer for B'nei Noach." This new addition contains more information and clarification. There are specific rules for proper Hasidic Gentile prayer, including what constitutes appropriate prayers and when and how to say them. Also included is a daily prayer schedule.
    Hasidic Gentile Unity Hasidic gentile unity is necessary for growth and success of the movement. But what is true unity?
    The Hasidic Gentile Campaign: The Rebbe Speaks There is now religious freedom unparalleled throughout human history. The Jewish people are generally free to pursue Torah study and mitzvos. The tremendous opportunities for outreach to non-observant fellow Jews have seen very positive results. Yet, despite the Sixth Lubavitcher Rebbe's announcement decades ago that the coming of Moshiach (the Messiah) is imminent, he still has not come! How can this be? Here, in just a few samples of excerpts from his many sichos addressing what urgently needs to be done to bring about the Redemption, the current Rebbe answers this puzzling question.
    How Do We Bring the Jews Home? Ask the Gentiles for Help An article from the magazine Beis Moshiach, explaining the importance of gentiles in bringing the Messiah and the Jewish role in teaching the Seven Laws.
    The Final War for Jerusalem: Why Permanent Israeli Victory is Now Within Reach A blueprint for bringing Moshiach! The proper basis for the Noachide Movement, based on the Hasidic Gentile campaign of the Lubavitcher Rebbe.
    Anti-Xmas flier #1
    Anti-Xmas flier #2 Fliers used to educate Jews about the Torah requirement of influencing gentiles to stop celebrating Xmas.

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    Well, I'm not subserviant to anyone but my boss. And my family. And friends. In fact, if I recall, Christ was pretty clear the 'servant's heart' is the heart of a Christian.

    So...if I'm a servant to ANYONE or EVERYONE, all glory be to God.
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