Records to spell doom for the CD?

[-Cp]

VERY intersting turn of events if this happens and I could totally see something like this taking place:

http://www.bootdaily.com/index.php?o...=855&Itemid=59

[Mr. P]

VERY intersting turn of events if this happens and I could totally see something like this taking place:

http://www.bootdaily.com/index.php?o...=855&Itemid=59

We could go back to 8 tracks, starting fire with flint too..I don't see it happening.

[mrg666]

the quality of digital recording is far superior to vynyl
i have many many many vynyl disks i have tried to replace these with digital over the years

[-Cp]

the quality of digital recording is far superior to vynyl
i have many many many vynyl disks i have tried to replace these with digital over the years

You obviously have no clue what you're talking about....

[Jon]

You obviously have no clue what you're talking about....

First, you'll both have to give us your definition of "quality".

[diuretic]

I reckon the money you'd have to pay for a top line vinyl player to get very high fidelity would be far too much to make the compact disc irrelevant.

Anyway, who cares, as long as you can play it loud!

[PostmodernProphet]

not a likely event....I was downloading some Jethro Tull on bittorrent and mentioned to my daughter I had gotten an entire album downloaded in twenty minutes....she said "what's an album?".....over 50% of the population has never touched vinyl.....

[PostmodernProphet]

You obviously have no clue what you're talking about....

Please educamate me....how could any vinyl reproduction be superior when you can access a digital copy of the master the vinyl was pressed from?

[mrg666]

Please educamate me....how could any vinyl reproduction be superior when you can access a digital copy of the master the vinyl was pressed from?

me 2

[KarlMarx]

I reckon the money you'd have to pay for a top line vinyl player to get very high fidelity would be far too much to make the compact disc irrelevant.

Anyway, who cares, as long as you can play it loud!

I agree, I can see vinyl for the audio connesseurs. I think what will kill the CD is down loadable music and movies. Thumb drives are already sporting 8 Giga bytes and coming down in price rapidly.

P.S. if you use the rule of thumb "a minute of play per megabyte", that means an 8 Gbyte thumb drive can hold roughly 8,000 minutes (about 133 hours) of music. Consider that a week is 168 hours long...

P.P.S. Think of it, I could put my entire record collection that I had as a kid on a single 2 GByte thumbdrive and take it to work with me and listen to "records" all day long while I work at my computer.

P.P.S. I agree some music was meant to be played loud (Black Sabbath, Hendrix and Ozzy) and some, not so loud (Bach's Goldberg Variations)

[Monkeybone]

ah...indie kids. that explains alot of it. they are retro into stuff, so yah among them the vinyl sales would be high and of course DJs ( Mr.lets preserve this history by scratching it).

but it won't replace the CD. i think MP3 players (ipod and the such) have a better chance of replacing the CD with all of the new CD players in cars that can do MP3 or you can plug in your Ipod/ipod equivy.

[-Cp]

Please educamate me....how could any vinyl reproduction be superior when you can access a digital copy of the master the vinyl was pressed from?

It's right in the article bud.. next time you may want to read it before commenting

Although CDs have a wider dynamic range, mastering houses are often encouraged to compress the audio on CDs to make it as loud as possible: It's the so-called loudness war. Since the audio on vinyl can't be compressed to such extremes, records generally offer a more nuanced sound.

Another reason for vinyl's sonic superiority is that no matter how high a sampling rate is, it can never contain all of the data present in an analog groove, Nyquist's theorem to the contrary.

"The digital world will never get there," said Chris Ashworth, owner of United Record Pressing, the country's largest record pressing plant.

Golden-eared audiophiles have long testified to vinyl's warmer, richer sound. And now demand for vinyl is on the rise. Pressing plants that were already at capacity are staying there, while others are cranking out more records than they did last year in order to keep pace with demand.

[-Cp]

From Howstuffworks.com:

Is the sound on vinyl records better than on CDs or DVDs?


The answer lies in the difference between analog and digital recordings. A vinyl record is an analog recording, and CDs and DVDs are digital recordings. Take a look at the graph below. Original sound is analog by definition. A digital recording takes snapshots of the analog signal at a certain rate (for CDs it is 44,100 times per second) and measures each snapshot with a certain accuracy (for CDs it is 16-bit, which means the value must be one of 65,536 possible values).


Comparison of a raw analog audio signal to the CD audio and DVD audio output


This means that, by definition, a digital recording is not capturing the complete sound wave. It is approximating it with a series of steps. Some sounds that have very quick transitions, such as a drum beat or a trumpet's tone, will be distorted because they change too quickly for the sample rate.

In your home stereo the CD or DVD player takes this digital recording and converts it to an analog signal, which is fed to your amplifier. The amplifier then raises the voltage of the signal to a level powerful enough to drive your speaker.

A vinyl record has a groove carved into it that mirrors the original sound's waveform. This means that no information is lost. The output of a record player is analog. It can be fed directly to your amplifier with no conversion.

This means that the waveforms from a vinyl recording can be much more accurate, and that can be heard in the richness of the sound. But there is a downside, any specks of dust or damage to the disc can be heard as noise or static. During quiet spots in songs this noise may be heard over the music. Digital recordings don't degrade over time, and if the digital recording contains silence, then there will be no noise.

From the graph above you can see that CD quality audio does not do a very good job of replicating the original signal. The main ways to improve the quality of a digital recording are to increase the sampling rate and to increase the accuracy of the sampling.

[Jon]

From Howstuffworks.com:

Is the sound on vinyl records better than on CDs or DVDs?


The answer lies in the difference between analog and digital recordings. A vinyl record is an analog recording, and CDs and DVDs are digital recordings. Take a look at the graph below. Original sound is analog by definition. A digital recording takes snapshots of the analog signal at a certain rate (for CDs it is 44,100 times per second) and measures each snapshot with a certain accuracy (for CDs it is 16-bit, which means the value must be one of 65,536 possible values).


Comparison of a raw analog audio signal to the CD audio and DVD audio output


This means that, by definition, a digital recording is not capturing the complete sound wave. It is approximating it with a series of steps. Some sounds that have very quick transitions, such as a drum beat or a trumpet's tone, will be distorted because they change too quickly for the sample rate.

In your home stereo the CD or DVD player takes this digital recording and converts it to an analog signal, which is fed to your amplifier. The amplifier then raises the voltage of the signal to a level powerful enough to drive your speaker.

A vinyl record has a groove carved into it that mirrors the original sound's waveform. This means that no information is lost. The output of a record player is analog. It can be fed directly to your amplifier with no conversion.

This means that the waveforms from a vinyl recording can be much more accurate, and that can be heard in the richness of the sound. But there is a downside, any specks of dust or damage to the disc can be heard as noise or static. During quiet spots in songs this noise may be heard over the music. Digital recordings don't degrade over time, and if the digital recording contains silence, then there will be no noise.

From the graph above you can see that CD quality audio does not do a very good job of replicating the original signal. The main ways to improve the quality of a digital recording are to increase the sampling rate and to increase the accuracy of the sampling.

Unfortunately, what is written above is largely a moot point. There are few, if any, recordings being made today that aren't recorded and/or mastered and/or processed and/or etc. digitally before being put on vinyl or CD.

IOW, pretty much all of it has been compromised at one stage or another.

[Mr. P]

Unfortunately, what is written above is largely a moot point. There are few, if any, recordings being made today that aren't recorded and/or mastered and/or processed and/or etc. digitally before being put on vinyl or CD.

IOW, pretty much all of it has been compromised at one stage or another.

And I'll bet 1000 cyber bucks you can't get 10 people out of 1000 that could listen to a recording in a sound both, and be able to say...it's vinyl or CD.