gwb Admin Shuts Down Voluntary Mad Cow Inspections

[JohnDoe]

are you pro free market when it comes to health care and sub prime loans....

Are you?

do you think loan sharks and usery should be allowed with no penalty? do you think money should just be printed by anyone or any state?

do you think doctors should not have to be licenced and require no education and anyone should be allowed to to cut you open? do you think that abortions should be allowed with no restrictions up to the delivery point? do you think any medicine should be on the shelves, harmful or not, with no regulations?

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I SAID, i think it is wrong for the government to interphere with the free market in this case....

the government is not protecting the citizen, in this case, whereas with healthcare and banking, regulations are there to protect the citizen....though i do feel in some instances it is over regulated, i feel it is a necessity for some regulations.

In this case, the government is picking one businessman over the next businessman and favoring them.

jd

[Kathianne]

Are you?

do you think loan sharks and usery should be allowed with no penalty? do you think money should just be printed by anyone or any state?

do you think doctors should not have to be licenced and require no education and anyone should be allowed to to cut you open? do you think that abortions should be allowed with no restrictions up to the delivery point? do you think any medicine should be on the shelves, harmful or not, with no regulations?

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I SAID, i think it is wrong for the government to interphere with the free market in this case....

the government is not protecting the citizen, in this case, whereas with healthcare and banking, regulations are there to protect the citizen....though i do feel in some instances it is over regulated, i feel it is a necessity for some regulations.

In this case, the government is picking one businessman over the next businessman and favoring them.

jd

So you think the government should allow a destruction of the ranchers, while protecting other groups. You are saying that an upstart, with no qualifications other than causing panic should be able to destroy ranches all but probably 1 or 2 have never had mad cow. Based only on a gimmick to imply that anyone not testing all their cows leaves 'the public' open to harm. Never mind that the 'upstart' has few head, which the rancher of prime beef in TX or OK has thousands.

On the other hand you see no reason to hold the loan takers responsible for their own actions.

Talk about hypocrisy +

[JohnDoe]

So you think the government should allow a destruction of the ranchers, while protecting other groups. You are saying that an upstart, with no qualifications other than causing panic should be able to destroy ranches all but probably 1 or 2 have never had mad cow. Based only on a gimmick to imply that anyone not testing all their cows leaves 'the public' open to harm. Never mind that the 'upstart' has few head, which the rancher of prime beef in TX or OK has thousands.

On the other hand you see no reason to hold the loan takers responsible for their own actions.

Talk about hypocrisy +

Do you really think the upstart would destroy the big ranches? Why? the worst that could happen which i highly doubt... would be.... it forced the big ranches to test all of their cows which could actually increase their business worldwide, with other countries that have been concerned with our beef and mad cow is how i see it?

What was your hypocrisy statement about kathianne? Boy oh boy, how touchy this evening

[Kathianne]

Do you really think the upstart would destroy the big ranches? Why? the worst that could happen which i highly doubt... would be.... it forced the big ranches to test all of their cows which could actually increase their business worldwide, with other countries that have been concerned with our beef and mad cow is how i see it?

What was your hypocrisy statement about kathianne? Boy oh boy, how touchy this evening

What don't you get about this JD? I have 10 cows. I say, "Test all." You have 10,000 cows, you say, "There hasn't been a case in this state, I'll do a representative test." It comes back negative. We are both from TX. I take out an ad, "100% of my stock is proven Mad Cow Free." Please respond.

[manu1959]

Are you?

do you think loan sharks and usery should be allowed with no penalty? do you think money should just be printed by anyone or any state?

do you think doctors should not have to be licenced and require no education and anyone should be allowed to to cut you open? do you think that abortions should be allowed with no restrictions up to the delivery point? do you think any medicine should be on the shelves, harmful or not, with no regulations?

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I SAID, i think it is wrong for the government to interphere with the free market in this case....

the government is not protecting the citizen, in this case, whereas with healthcare and banking, regulations are there to protect the citizen....though i do feel in some instances it is over regulated, i feel it is a necessity for some regulations.

In this case, the government is picking one businessman over the next businessman and favoring them.

jd

3 mad cow cases in the history of the US and you want govt. intervention to protect the people.....from what?..... loan sharking, usury unlicensed doctors .....holy crap? talk about hyperbole.....

[JohnDoe]

3 mad cow cases in the history of the US and you want govt. intervention to protect the people.....from what?..... loan sharking, usury unlicensed doctors .....holy crap? talk about hyperbole.....

What in God's name are you talking about? Can you read and comprehend what you read manu?

I don't want gvt intervention, i want them to stay out of it and let the free market work and the justice system work which ruled on this already, but it is YOU that wants the gvt to stop small businesses that want to test their cattle, from testing all of thier cattle for mad cows....

what the heck?

get with it!!!

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And I might add that this might actually get the free market rolling on a way to test for bse, in a cost effective manner, bringing on more ingenuity in the market place and increasing a usa bse testing business.....?

i don't want the gvt to mandate this, i want the free market to work....

And in truth, i do not think these smaller business would necessarily affect any of the larger ranchers, they would just find their niche and find some of the few people that are concerned with the extremely rare case of BSE, and get them to buy their meat, at a much higher price.... like organically grown food....people pay more for it, but others don't give a hoot and pay less for the non-organic foods out there.

what the heck are you babbling about?

jd

[Kathianne]

What in God's name are you talking about? Can you read and comprehend what you read manu?

I don't want gvt intervention, i want them to stay out of it and let the free market work and the justice system work which ruled on this already, but it is YOU that wants the gvt to stop small businesses that want to test their cattle, from testing all of thier cattle for mad cows....

what the heck?

get with it!!!

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And I might add that this might actually get the free market rolling on a way to test for bse, in a cost effective manner, bringing on more ingenuity in the market place and increasing a usa bse testing business.....?

i don't want the gvt to mandate this, i want the free market to work....

And in truth, i do not think these smaller business would necessarily affect any of the larger ranchers, they would just find their niche and find some of the few people that are concerned with the extremely rare case of BSE, and get them to buy their meat, at a much higher price.... like organically grown food....people pay more for it, but others don't give a hoot and pay less for the non-organic foods out there.

what the heck are you babbling about?

jd

Many hours ago I posted the CDC reports, where were you? After you find and read, will you tell him you're sorry?

[JohnDoe]

What don't you get about this JD? I have 10 cows. I say, "Test all." You have 10,000 cows, you say, "There hasn't been a case in this state, I'll do a representative test." It comes back negative. We are both from TX. I take out an ad, "100% of my stock is proven Mad Cow Free." Please respond.

I responded to this in my answer to manu, kathianne....but here it is again:


I don't want gvt intervention, i want them to stay out of it and let the free market work and the justice system work which ruled on this already, but it is YOU that wants the gvt to stop small businesses that want to test their cattle, from testing all of thier cattle for mad cows....


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And I might add that this might actually get the free market rolling on a way to test for bse, in a cost effective manner, bringing on more ingenuity in the market place and increasing a usa bse testing business.....?

i don't want the gvt to mandate this, i want the free market to work....

And in truth, i do not think these smaller businesses would necessarily affect any of the larger ranchers, they would just find their niche and find some of the few people that are concerned with the extremely rare case of BSE, and get them to buy their meat, at a much higher price.... like organically grown food....people pay more for it, but others don't give a hoot and pay less for the non-organic foods out there.

jd

[manu1959]

i agree i think the govt should stay out of all private sector stuff....let sub prime and medical sort itself out.....

tell me one thing the gov't runs well....

I responded to this in my answer to manu, kathianne....but here it is again:


I don't want gvt intervention, i want them to stay out of it and let the free market work and the justice system work which ruled on this already, but it is YOU that wants the gvt to stop small businesses that want to test their cattle, from testing all of thier cattle for mad cows....


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And I might add that this might actually get the free market rolling on a way to test for bse, in a cost effective manner, bringing on more ingenuity in the market place and increasing a usa bse testing business.....?

i don't want the gvt to mandate this, i want the free market to work....

And in truth, i do not think these smaller business would necessarily affect any of the larger ranchers, they would just find their niche and find some of the few people that are concerned with the extremely rare case of BSE, and get them to buy their meat, at a much higher price.... like organically grown food....people pay more for it, but others don't give a hoot and pay less for the non-organic foods out there.

jd

[AFbombloader]

This is all a conspiracy from the companies selling the test for the disease....maybe we should all go buy stock!

AF

[JohnDoe]

Many hours ago I posted the CDC reports, where were you? After you find and read, will you tell him you're sorry?

haven't read it and don't have the time to read it right now, but i will when i get the chance, was it in one of your posts?

what was the gist of it kathianne? and how did it relate to this particular case of smaller businesses wanting to find their niche in the marketplace, much like organic food growers?

Did it say that what these much smaller farmers do will force the government to test in the same manner, or the larger ranchers to do in this manner, which is literally impossible to do in a cost effective manner for these larger ranchers at this point in time?

I don't see why these smaller businesses can't be allowed to go forward with this as was ruled by the courts, to give them an edge with key customers....and how it would hurt the big guy? Was that part of the article/link from the cdc?


jd

[Kathianne]

haven't read it and don't have the time to read it right now, but i will when i get the chance, was it in one of your posts?

what was the gist of it kathianne? and how did it relate to this particular case of smaller businesses wanting to find their niche in the marketplace, much like organic food growers?

Did it say that what these much smaller farmers do will force the government to test in the same manner, or the larger ranchers to do in this manner, which is literally impossible to do in a cost effective manner for these larger ranchers at this point in time?

I don't see why these smaller businesses can't be allowed to go forward with this as was ruled by the courts, to give them an edge with key customers....and how it would hurt the big guy? Was that part of the article/link from the cdc?


jd

As I said, which I know you saw, I have 100 head, you 10000. It costs for the sake of arguement, $100 per cow. I test all of mine, you test 10%. I take out ads saying 100% of mine are free of disease. You take out ad saying a representative sample of mine shows my supply is safe. I take out subsequent add saying, "What are you so afraid of? Why not test all?"

Which would you buy from? How is this fair?

[Missileman]

What don't you get about this JD? I have 10 cows. I say, "Test all." You have 10,000 cows, you say, "There hasn't been a case in this state, I'll do a representative test." It comes back negative. We are both from TX. I take out an ad, "100% of my stock is proven Mad Cow Free." Please respond.

Where do you think they'll go for the 11th thru 9,990th cows?

[Missileman]

As I said, which I know you saw, I have 100 head, you 10000. It costs for the sake of arguement, $100 per cow. I test all of mine, you test 10%. I take out ads saying 100% of mine are free of disease. You take out ad saying a representative sample of mine shows my supply is safe. I take out subsequent add saying, "What are you so afraid of? Why not test all?"

Which would you buy from? How is this fair?

If the small farmer can make a profit even with testing, the big company can too.

[JohnDoe]

As I said, which I know you saw, I have 100 head, you 10000. It costs for the sake of arguement, $100 per cow. I test all of mine, you test 10%. I take out ads saying 100% of mine are free of disease. You take out ad saying a representative sample of mine shows my supply is safe. I take out subsequent add saying, "What are you so afraid of? Why not test all?"

Which would you buy from? How is this fair?

Kathianne, if I cared about bse, i would pay MORE MONEY and purchase the beef from 100% tested cattle, the small guy who had to pay a hundred dollars a head to test them. If I didn't care about BSE I would buy the regular beef that is tested randomly, and pay the LOWER PRICE at the grocery store for it.

What is the difference between this situation and the ORGANIC FOOD business, grown by smaller farmers, which costs alot more at the grocery store?

What is it that you do not understand about this scenario?

It costs more to grow organic foods, just like it costs the small farmer more per cow to test all of his cattle for BSE, and they will charge more for it at the grocers.

Why do you think that it would not work like any other product on the free market? You pay for what you get, walmart quality or designer quality?

The big ranchers would be the walmart quality, so to say, and they still will sell alot more Keds than the Designers like Christian Dior or Prada....

These (designer)small ranchers are limited on their product and how much they can produce and can not possibly compete or affect in any manner of concern the (walmart)big ranchers imo.

jd