Coldest temps on record?

[Gadget (fmr Marine)]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/artic...NTARY/10575140

Article published Dec 19, 2007
Year of global cooling


December 19, 2007

By David Deming - Al Gore says global warming is a planetary emergency. It is difficult to see how this can be so when record low temperatures are being set all over the world. In 2007, hundreds of people died, not from global warming, but from cold weather hazards.

Since the mid-19th century, the mean global temperature has increased by 0.7 degrees Celsius. This slight warming is not unusual, and lies well within the range of natural variation. Carbon dioxide continues to build in the atmosphere, but the mean planetary temperature hasn't increased significantly for nearly nine years. Antarctica is getting colder. Neither the intensity nor the frequency of hurricanes has increased. The 2007 season was the third-quietest since 1966. In 2006 not a single hurricane made landfall in the U.S.

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Oklahoma, Kansas and Missouri are just emerging from a destructive ice storm that left at least 36 people dead and a million without electric power. People worldwide are being reminded of what used to be common sense: Cold temperatures are inimical to human welfare and warm weather is beneficial. Left in the dark and cold, Oklahomans rushed out to buy electric generators powered by gasoline, not solar cells. No one seemed particularly concerned about the welfare of polar bears, penguins or walruses. Fossil fuels don't seem so awful when you're in the cold and dark.

If you think any of the preceding facts can falsify global warming, you're hopelessly naive. Nothing creates cognitive dissonance in the mind of a true believer. In 2005, a Canadian Greenpeace representative explained “global warming can mean colder, it can mean drier, it can mean wetter.” In other words, all weather variations are evidence for global warming. I can't make this stuff up.

Global warming has long since passed from scientific hypothesis to the realm of pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo.

David Deming is a geophysicist, an adjunct scholar with the National Center for Policy Analysis, and associate professor of Arts and Sciences at the University of Oklahoma.

[Hagbard Celine]

The fact that Earth gets colder when it slips into its winter orbit doesn't change the fact that we are going through global climate change. In other words, you can't point to the fact that winter is cold and then say it proves that the Earth isn't warming. Of course winter is cold. The Northern hemisphere is further away from the sun, it's primary source of heat radiation, during the winter.

[glockmail]

The fact that Earth gets colder when it slips into its winter orbit doesn't change the fact that we are going through global climate change. In other words, you can't point to the fact that winter is cold and then say it proves that the Earth isn't warming. Of course winter is cold. The Northern hemisphere is further away from the sun, it's primary source of heat radiation, during the winter.

Duh- the article compares records from over 100 years, not just this year.

[Hagbard Celine]

Duh- the article compares records from over 100 years, not just this year.

My point stands. The winter is cold. DUH. You don't need 100 years worth of records to point that out. It's pretty damn hard to argue with the fact that glaciers all over the planet are either melting or have melted and that islands are beginning to be covered by sea water.

[glockmail]

[1]My point stands. The winter is cold. DUH. You don't need 100 years worth of records to point that out. [2]It's pretty damn hard to argue with the fact that glaciers all over the planet are either melting or have melted and that islands are beginning to be covered by sea water.

1. You do need at many years to compare the cold on a historical basis, which is the point of the article.
2. No one's arguing that. The argument is if it's caused by man. Looking at historical trends, as well as relative contributions of "greenhouse emissions" by man and nature, the scientific evidence shows that it is unlikely.

[Hagbard Celine]

1. You do need at many years to compare the cold on a historical basis, which is the point of the article.
2. No one's arguing that. The argument is if it's caused by man. Looking at historical trends, as well as relative contributions of "greenhouse emissions" by man and nature, the scientific evidence shows that it is unlikely.

What does it matter if it is caused by man? The point is that it's happening. What we need to be discussing is what to do about it, not bickering about who or what caused it. If it's us, we need to invest in green technology, recycle and reduce harmful emissions. If it's natural, we need to invest in green technology, recycle and reduce harmful emissions. Why argue a moot point?

[glockmail]

What does it matter if it is caused by man? The point is that it's happening. What we need to be discussing is what to do about it, not bickering about who or what caused it. If it's us, we need to invest in green technology, recycle and reduce harmful emissions. If it's natural, we need to invest in green technology, recycle and reduce harmful emissions. Why argue a moot point?

Again I've never argued the contrary. What I argue is the cost effectiveness of these so-called "green" technologies with that of others, such as nuclear, windmills in Ted Kennedy's backyard, efficient rail service, and use of natural gas deposits instead of allowing them to vent into the atmosphere. In comparision, the "green" technologies appear to be chosen based on political concerns, and can be shown to be less effective, even harmful.

[Hagbard Celine]

Again I've never argued the contrary. What I argue is the cost effectiveness of these so-called "green" technologies with that of others, such as nuclear, windmills in Ted Kennedy's backyard, efficient rail service, and use of natural gas deposits instead of allowing them to vent into the atmosphere. In comparision, the "green" technologies appear to be chosen based on political concerns, and can be shown to be less effective, even harmful.

I think we should all wear fart bags during the day to capture the methane produced by our asses. Then we could take it home at the end of the day, put it in a reservoir and power our blenders with it to make Fartaritas.

[Immanuel]

Heresy! Heresy! The OP is nothing but heresy!

How dare you post anything that would even smell of contradicting the Great god Al Gore during his campaign to save the world?

Gadget should be hog-tied and thrown out in the middle of the desert so he can see for himself just what Global Warming is all about until he begs for forgiveness from the Great god himself.

Immie

[JohnDoe]

Personally, i think that we should do what we can to pollute less, just to reduce the asthma epidemic that is occuring, let alone other ill effects from it.

As far as global warming concerns, i think that we should be concentrating on how to make the best of it and to deal with it, because it could be too little too late to do something about slowing it down if it is manmade and if it is from a natural occurance then we should be planning on running out of fresh water and be building more Saline water conversion plants, clearing land in the far north to begin more farming, work on things to stop the huge infestation of bugs to come, move or build dikes for our coastal cities and stuff like that....

On my own, without legislation I am taking measures to be more environmentally friendly like changing my lightbulbs to the newer energy efficient ones, looking to heat with wood in an environmentally improved EPA certified wood stove, own a car that gets 35 miles to the gallon, using reclaimed rain water to water my veggie garden and flowers....buying antiques and used wood furniture and repurposing them for my own uses....just little things that actually can save me money by doing them....looking at and considering buying solar panels for my water and eventually electric, putting in solar garden lights vs electric...

I think the Gov needs to be looking at helping out with the things that are too big for me to do, like moving entire cities that will be under water someday, cuz personally, I don't think any measures that we try to do will reverse the inevitable, the ice caps melting, and losing our fresh water, thus food, world wide.

jd

[glockmail]

I heated my house with a catalytic wood stove back 20 years ago, as well as used compact florescents whenever I could. We're on our 2nd side load washer (uses 1/3 the water) and I've got 2' of insulation in my attic. I save energy whenever I can, as well as support alternative energies that make sense.

These wackos, however, don't really care about the environment. What they really want is power and control.

[Gadget (fmr Marine)]

Personally, i think that we should do what we can to pollute less, just to reduce the asthma epidemic that is occuring, let alone other ill effects from it.

As far as global warming concerns, i think that we should be concentrating on how to make the best of it and to deal with it, because it could be too little too late to do something about slowing it down if it is manmade and if it is from a natural occurance then we should be planning on running out of fresh water and be building more Saline water conversion plants, clearing land in the far north to begin more farming, work on things to stop the huge infestation of bugs to come, move or build dikes for our coastal cities and stuff like that....

On my own, without legislation I am taking measures to be more environmentally friendly like changing my lightbulbs to the newer energy efficient ones, looking to heat with wood in an environmentally improved EPA certified wood stove, own a car that gets 35 miles to the gallon, using reclaimed rain water to water my veggie garden and flowers....buying antiques and used wood furniture and repurposing them for my own uses....just little things that actually can save me money by doing them....looking at and considering buying solar panels for my water and eventually electric, putting in solar garden lights vs electric...

I think the Gov needs to be looking at helping out with the things that are too big for me to do, like moving entire cities that will be under water someday, cuz personally, I don't think any measures that we try to do will reverse the inevitable, the ice caps melting, and losing our fresh water, thus food, world wide.

jd

I work in the lighting industry....I know that some of the highly touted energy conserving light bulbs that are being sold to consumers are highly toxic, and laden with Mercury! How many of you have actually disposed of fluorescent or even compact fluorescent light bulbs correctly?

There are enough compact fluorescent light bulbs in the US market right now, installed in homes, with the potential to contaminate 20 MILLION ACRES OF WATER!!!!!

DO NOT BUY COMPACT FLOURESCENT LIGHT BULBS!!!!!!!!(**if you do not intend on disposing of them correctly) The mercury content can be detrimental to the health of children, and the infirm!

On the other hand LED technology is getting much better and the dollars per lumen ratio is getting much better, and the output is getting to a point where it is actually usable.

As a professional in the lighting world, I still use traditional lighting technology, as it is stable, cost effective, and not bad on the environment. Fluorescent fixtures are the problem right now, in my opinion, as the mercury content is dangerous if the envelope is damaged.....

[JohnDoe]

I work in the lighting industry....I know that some of the highly touted energy conserving light bulbs that are being sold to consumers are highly toxic, and laden with Mercury! How many of you have actually disposed of fluorescent or even compact fluorescent light bulbs correctly?

There are enough compact fluorescent light bulbs in the US market right now, installed in homes, with the potential to contaminate 20 MILLION ACRES OF WATER!!!!!

DO NOT BUY COMPACT FLOURESCENT LIGHT BULBS!!!!!!!!(**if you do not intend on disposing of them correctly) The mercury content can be detrimental to the health of children, and the infirm!

On the other hand LED technology is getting much better and the dollars per lumen ratio is getting much better, and the output is getting to a point where it is actually usable.

As a professional in the lighting world, I still use traditional lighting technology, as it is stable, cost effective, and not bad on the environment. Fluorescent fixtures are the problem right now, in my opinion, as the mercury content is dangerous if the envelope is damaged.....

Excellent information to know Gadget!

My community dump has a special area to dump things toxic to the environment and was recently made aware of the mercury in computer monitors and television tubes and have had to dispose of them in this separate area.

jd

[Yurt]

The fact that Earth gets colder when it slips into its winter orbit doesn't change the fact that we are going through global climate change. In other words, you can't point to the fact that winter is cold and then say it proves that the Earth isn't warming. Of course winter is cold. The Northern hemisphere is further away from the sun, it's primary source of heat radiation, during the winter.

tell that to global alarmist who bring it up every summer. you know for a fact global alarming stories are about 20 to 1 in the summer.

[red states rule]

The fact that Earth gets colder when it slips into its winter orbit doesn't change the fact that we are going through global climate change. In other words, you can't point to the fact that winter is cold and then say it proves that the Earth isn't warming. Of course winter is cold. The Northern hemisphere is further away from the sun, it's primary source of heat radiation, during the winter.

Yet during the summer, on a hot day or during a heat wave, the liberal media rants about global warming

Or is it global cooling?

Or is it climate change?