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    Default Does the human soul have a gender?

    What is your opinion? Would there be a need for gender in heaven (or hell)? Think about it. Why would God need sexual parts? Why would our souls need them? Wouldn't it stand to reason that gender is something that is only needed in the corporeal world we live in to sustain biological processes? And if you knew the answer to the question "does the human soul have a gender," and the answer was no, would it change how you view gay marriage? If the human soul had no gender but was instead only comprised of our intellects and personalities, wouldn't it make the importance we place on the nomenclatures of hetero/homo relationships kind of pointless? And wouldn't it raise questions about the passages in the Bible that are against homosexuality?
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    The bible is clear: when we're with God in heaven we'll not be given unto marriage. Implies we'll be gender-neutral and junk. Although most Angels have masculine names; We won't need reproductive parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    The bible is clear: when we're with God in heaven we'll not be given unto marriage. Implies we'll be gender-neutral and junk. Although most Angels have masculine names; We won't need reproductive parts.
    So why do our gender specific sexual choices here on Earth affect our afterlife if they will have no physical effect on us when we are there? In other words, why does it matter who we have sex with here on Earth? Doesn't it seem pointless to fight over sexual orientation here on Earth? Why are homos considered sinners?
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    Science wants to explain things and understand why they happen. Creationists want to use science to justify their own causes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    So why do our gender specific sexual choices here on Earth affect our afterlife if they will have no physical effect on us when we are there? In other words, why does it matter who we have sex with here on Earth? Doesn't it seem pointless to fight over sexual orientation here on Earth? Why are homos considered sinners?


    Our choices on earth affect our afterlife because of Sin. When we choose to not accept Christ's substitutional atonement for OUR transgressions, we choose to remain in our sinful condition. Homosexuals are sinners because they continue to 'do' and 'feel' and 'desire' a behaviour God has told us to avoid.

    Here's a side note: MOST of what God calls 'sinful behaviour' is PROBABLY called 'sin' to keep us from harming ourselves. God doesn't tell people to avoid certain thoughts/behaviours out of spite - he does so because HE KNOWS BETTER, and knows what is BEST for us.
    “… the greatest detractor from high performance is fear: fear that you are not prepared, fear that you are in over your head, fear that you are not worthy, and ultimately, fear of failure. If you can eliminate that fear—not through arrogance or just wishing difficulties away, but through hard work and preparation—you will put yourself in an incredibly powerful position to take on the challenges you face" - Pete Carroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    Our choices on earth affect our afterlife because of Sin. When we choose to not accept Christ's substitutional atonement for OUR transgressions, we choose to remain in our sinful condition. Homosexuals are sinners because they continue to 'do' and 'feel' and 'desire' a behaviour God has told us to avoid.

    Here's a side note: MOST of what God calls 'sinful behaviour' is PROBABLY called 'sin' to keep us from harming ourselves. God doesn't tell people to avoid certain thoughts/behaviours out of spite - he does so because HE KNOWS BETTER, and knows what is BEST for us.
    The above is true ONLY if you are Christian and a Christian of a certain stripe, at that. For the rest of us, it's not applicable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    Our choices on earth affect our afterlife because of Sin. When we choose to not accept Christ's substitutional atonement for OUR transgressions, we choose to remain in our sinful condition. Homosexuals are sinners because they continue to 'do' and 'feel' and 'desire' a behaviour God has told us to avoid.

    Here's a side note: MOST of what God calls 'sinful behaviour' is PROBABLY called 'sin' to keep us from harming ourselves. God doesn't tell people to avoid certain thoughts/behaviours out of spite - he does so because HE KNOWS BETTER, and knows what is BEST for us.
    So basically this life is a test. If we make a high enough score our consciousness will live forever with God in heaven. Doesn't that make life seem a little pointless?
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer
    Science wants to explain things and understand why they happen. Creationists want to use science to justify their own causes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jillian View Post
    The above is true ONLY if you are Christian and a Christian of a certain stripe, at that. For the rest of us, it's not applicable.
    Then why the hell are you replying? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    Then why the hell are you replying? lol
    Cause I have a different idea about what heaven is and what the soul is. And certainly have different concepts as to sin.

    That ok with you?

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    Does the human soul have a gender?
    This is a flawed question as no one knows 'if' we have a soul to start with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    So basically this life is a test. If we make a high enough score our consciousness will live forever with God in heaven. Doesn't that make life seem a little pointless?
    Or at the very least patronizing?
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer
    Science wants to explain things and understand why they happen. Creationists want to use science to justify their own causes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    So basically this life is a test. If we make a high enough score our consciousness will live forever with God in heaven. Doesn't that make life seem a little pointless?
    Basically, yes life is a test, and we get new bodies, according to Christian beliefs. It isn't a matter of "score," but rather whether we do or do not obey God.
    Blessed be Your name, when the sun's shining down on me, when the world's "all as it should be," blessed be Your name!
    Blessed be Your name on the road marked with suffering, though there's pain in the offering, blessed be Your name!
    Every blessing You pour out I'll turn back to praise. When the darkness closes in, Lord, still I will say...
    Blessed be the name of the Lord!
    Blessed be Your name!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    he does so because HE KNOWS BETTER, and knows what is BEST for us.

    You mean you don't know what is right and wrong? I don't need a god to tell me what is right and wrong.

    As to the original question - yet another logical reason not to believe. What do you do in heaven all day - play cribbage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    Or at the very least patronizing?
    Depends on whether one sees the point of life as fulfilling one's self or fulfilling his Creator's purpose for him.
    Blessed be Your name, when the sun's shining down on me, when the world's "all as it should be," blessed be Your name!
    Blessed be Your name on the road marked with suffering, though there's pain in the offering, blessed be Your name!
    Every blessing You pour out I'll turn back to praise. When the darkness closes in, Lord, still I will say...
    Blessed be the name of the Lord!
    Blessed be Your name!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    So basically this life is a test. If we make a high enough score our consciousness will live forever with God in heaven. Doesn't that make life seem a little pointless?
    No - not even. Not even CLOSE.

    Life isn't a Test. It's an opportunity. It's a chance to enjoy God's creation, AS one of his created, WHILE maintaining a relationship with Him. It's EASY, really, it boils down to this:

    "God...I know I'm trying to do my own thing here. I realize MY way will bring death and sorrow. Forgive my sins against you; Help me turn from the areas in my life over to you; willfully submitting to your leadership and care. Jesus, I acknowledge the price you paid, in MY stead, on the Cross. I thank you for your Love for me and ask your spirit into my heart. Teach me to find you, through your word. Amen"

    Then - from there...GET PLUGGED IN to a GOOD protestant (my preference) church who preaches the no-compromise word of God. If you dont mingle with like-minded, you may find yourself feeling alone.

    If you have iTunes you can download my pastor's messages via PodCasting. I think they're under Lighthouse Christian Center. Here's what my church (and I) believe:

    http://www.lighthouse-cc.org/home/--...thouse-believe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumplestillskin View Post
    You mean you don't know what is right and wrong? I don't need a god to tell me what is right and wrong.
    You have 'basic' knowledge of right and wrong as passed down to you. However, you will never make the RIGHT choices in life apart from God. You may THINK you're doing the right thing, but it' could be harmful in the end. God is OLDER than you, brother...he knows better
    “… the greatest detractor from high performance is fear: fear that you are not prepared, fear that you are in over your head, fear that you are not worthy, and ultimately, fear of failure. If you can eliminate that fear—not through arrogance or just wishing difficulties away, but through hard work and preparation—you will put yourself in an incredibly powerful position to take on the challenges you face" - Pete Carroll.

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