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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Given my posit, and evidence compiled in support thereof, that they're incompetent technocrats who jumble together some documents and under the auspices of the blind squirrel theorem one is better served to just dismantle various policy proposals because they're just not very good. And on the off chance that they do find a nut there just isn't a blanket refusal.



    Is that in their founding documents? Their list of goals and milestones?
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    5. This is an Agenda of unprecedented scope and significance. It is accepted by all countries and is applicable to all, taking into account different national realities, capacities and levels of development and respecting national policies and priorities. These are universal goals and targets which involve the entire world, developed and developing countries alike. They are integrated and indivisible and balance the three dimensions of sustainable development.

    6. The Goals and targets are the result of over two years of intensive public consultation and engagement with civil society and other stakeholders around the world, which paid particular attention to the voices of the poorest and most vulnerable. This consultation included valuable work done by the General Assembly Open Working Group on Sustainable Development Goals and by the United Nations, whose Secretary-General provided a synthesis report in December 2014.

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    16. Almost fifteen years ago, the Millennium Development Goals were agreed. These provided an important framework for development and significant progress has been made in a number of areas. But the progress has been uneven, particularly in Africa, least developed countries, landlocked developing countries, and small island developing States, and some of the MDGs remain off-track, in particular those related to maternal, newborn and child health and to reproductive health. We recommit ourselves to the full realization of all the MDGs, including the off-track MDGs, in particular by providing focussed and scaled-up assistance to least developed countries and other countries in special situations, in line with relevant support programmes. The new Agenda builds on the Millennium Development Goals and seeks to complete what these did not achieve, particularly in reaching the most vulnerable.

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    21. The new Goals and targets will come into effect on 1 January 2016 and will guide the decisions we take over the next fifteen years. All of us will work to implement the Agenda within our own countries and at the regional and global levels, taking into account different national realities, capacities and levels of development and respecting national policies and priorities We will respect national policy space for sustained, inclusive and sustainable economic growth, in particular for developing states, while remaining consistent with relevant international rules and commitments. We acknowledge also the importance of the regional and sub-regional dimensions, regional economic integration and interconnectivity in sustainable development. Regional and sub-regional frameworks can facilitate the effective translation of sustainable development policies into concrete action at national level.

    22. Each country faces specific challenges in its pursuit of sustainable development. The most vulnerable countries and, in particular, African countries, least developed countries, landlocked developing countries and small island developing states deserve special attention, as do countries in situations of conflict and post-conflict countries. There are also serious challenges within many middle-income countries.

    23. People who are vulnerable must be empowered. Those whose needs are reflected in the Agenda include all children, youth, persons with disabilities (of whom more than 80% live in poverty), people living with HIV/AIDS, older persons, indigenous peoples, refugees and internally displaced persons and migrants. We resolve to take further effective measures and actions, in conformity with international law, to remove obstacles and constraints, strengthen support and meet the special needs of people living in areas affected by complex humanitarian emergencies and in areas affected by terrorism.

    24. We are committed to ending poverty in all its forms and dimensions, including by eradicating extreme poverty by 2030. All people must enjoy a basic standard of living, including through social protection systems. We are also determined to end hunger and to achieve food security as a matter of priority and to end all forms of malnutrition. In this regard, we reaffirm the important role and inclusive nature of the Committee on World Food Security and welcome the Rome Declaration on Nutrition and Framework for Action. We will devote resources to developing rural areas and sustainable agriculture and fisheries, supporting smallholder farmers, especially women farmers, herders and fishers in developing countries, particularly least developed countries.

    25. We commit to providing inclusive and equitable quality education at all levels – early childhood, primary, secondary, tertiary, technical and vocational training. All people, irrespective of sex, age, race, ethnicity, and persons with disabilities, migrants, indigenous peoples, children and youth, especially those in vulnerable situations, should have access to life-long learning opportunities that help them acquire the knowledge and skills needed to exploit opportunities and to participate fully in society. We will strive to provide children and youth with a nurturing environment for the full realization of their rights and capabilities, helping our countries to reap the demographic dividend including through ---.....................

    More at link given..

    As in more bullshit fantasy composed to feed the gullible masses, etc,, --Tyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    More at link given..

    As in more bullshit fantasy composed to feed the gullible masses, etc,, --Tyr
    It seemed like the answer was no. It's not.

    I could have missed something through all the yelling though but a quick perusal didn't show anything about slaves, dictatorships, or billions of deaths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Given my posit, and evidence compiled in support thereof, that they're incompetent technocrats who jumble together some documents and under the auspices of the blind squirrel theorem one is better served to just dismantle various policy proposals because they're just not very good. And on the off chance that they do find a nut there just isn't a blanket refusal.



    Is that in their founding documents? Their list of goals and milestones?
    I see impasse. Some of these global institutions are hardly harmless buffoons. Especially when the current person occupying the WH supports their BS. THAT give them teeth, and is in line with my preceding comment.

    They can be whatever it is you call them right up to the point where our Idiot in Chief signs us on to their BS and lets them in the door.

    As previously stated, allegedly, the People of the US can keep them and their stupidity out. I have about as much faith in that as I do Biden doing what's right for the country.

    Just to clarify: I am referring to real organizations such as the one I posted a a link two a couple of posts up. Not imaginary ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    It seemed like the answer was no. It's not.

    I could have missed something through all the yelling though but a quick perusal didn't show anything about slaves, dictatorships, or billions of deaths.
    As if they would broadcast their true agenda!
    I know you are not that dense. Other sites/links and 25 years of study points to me version. I simply gave you a sample of their liying , open agenda sent to deceive the gullible masses. -Tyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    I see impasse. Some of these global institutions are hardly harmless buffoons. Especially when the current person occupying the WH supports their BS. THAT give them teeth, and is in line with my preceding comment.

    They can be whatever it is you call them right up to the point where our Idiot in Chief signs us on to their BS and lets them in the door.

    As previously stated, allegedly, the People of the US can keep them and their stupidity out. I have about as much faith in that as I do Biden doing what's right for the country.

    Just to clarify: I am referring to real organizations such as the one I posted a a link two a couple of posts up. Not imaginary ones.
    Fair point but we have moronically destructive organizations right here at home that makes fighting the imaginary ones like charging at windmills. To the former which makes it necessary to win elections and I'm pretty sure we're on that same page.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    As if they would broadcast their true agenda!
    I know you are not that dense. Other sites/links and 25 years of study points to me version. I simply gave you a sample of their liying , open agenda sent to deceive the gullible masses. -Tyr
    Then you really didn't supply me with anything. This thread is on the 8th page of me asking for evidence and I haven't seen the silver bullet yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Then you really didn't supply me with anything. This thread is on the 8th page of me asking for evidence and I haven't seen the silver bullet yet.
    One cannot see that which they have already made up in their mind, does not exist. To see , one must invistigate with an open mind.
    Investigate to find truth-- not to try to ignore to support ones already made uo decision on the subject.
    Sure, you are intelligent , but being willfully blind so greatly hampers that and its fruitful harvests, imho.-Tyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    One cannot see that which they have already made up in their mind, does not exist. To see , one must invistigate with an open mind.
    Investigate to find truth-- not to try to ignore to support ones already made uo decision on the subject.
    Sure, you are intelligent , but being willfully blind so greatly hampers that and its fruitful harvests, imho.-Tyr
    So what you're saying is these...

    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    What does the evidence say?
    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    But I await submittal of further evidence.
    are evidence that I've already made up my mind. That's one way to look at it I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    As if they would broadcast their true agenda!
    I know you are not that dense. Other sites/links and 25 years of study points to me version. I simply gave you a sample of their liying , open agenda sent to deceive the gullible masses. -Tyr
    Tyr, yep, we can post their true agenda, they do say the things you mentioned earlier outright but in documents, books and speeches that are less public... but they are public.

    the problem is that some folks just don't believe they actually mean what they say,
    or they complain about "the source"
    or ..as FJ keeps repeating... he implies we should simply not worry about them because, according to him, they aren't good at getting anything done.
    despite the evidence and continued roll out of many items on their agenda. And their continued invasive presence at seats of influence.



    thing is, If someone keeps whispering they are going to steal your land and kill your kids cause you have to many (and will make you like it),
    but publicly loudly says they are going to "help you".
    Sorry I'm not buying the "help you" BS.
    And I'm not dismissing them just because the bullets that 'happened to' come over the fence the last 3 times MISSED!
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Tyr, yep, ...
    So you're on board with the claim of mass slavery, dictatorship, and killing of billions? Because that's the sort of thing that needs some bearing out. You post a lot of claims regarding free trade, cashless society, bug diets, etc. and those seem to be very different than the first set of claims. I don't tend to just take for truth "years of reading and studying and..." It should take a little more correct?

    I was talking to a friend of mine about a bunch of political stuff and since we were in the car I didn't provide corroborated sources and links but I referenced specifics about why I have certain opinions and beliefs; which I certainly could have provided. To do the same here when one can relatively easily find and post reference material is what should be necessary to lend credibility to arguments. Provided sources can then be vetted for credibility thus my quest for evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    So you're on board with the claim of mass slavery, dictatorship, and killing of billions? Because that's the sort of thing that needs some bearing out. You post a lot of claims regarding free trade, cashless society, bug diets, etc. and those seem to be very different than the first set of claims. I don't tend to just take for truth "years of reading and studying and..." It should take a little more correct?

    I was talking to a friend of mine about a bunch of political stuff and since we were in the car I didn't provide corroborated sources and links but I referenced specifics about why I have certain opinions and beliefs; which I certainly could have provided. To do the same here when one can relatively easily find and post reference material is what should be necessary to lend credibility to arguments. Provided sources can then be vetted for credibility thus my quest for evidence.

    "mass slavery, dictatorship,"
    Cashless Society, Id Chips (recommended for children no less), 24/7 surveillance of populous EQUALS mass slavery & dictatorship FJ.
    By those than run the sytem & their suragates the polticians.
    Anyone not falling in line with gov't "recommendations" loose access to money, jobs food water or simply access to certain parts of public life.
    See what happened to the Canadian Truckers. Gov't locked their bank accounts, and even digital donations were blocked.
    All that happened After they were told by gov't NOT to cross the boarder or not to drive at all if they didn't follow gov't mandates.
    That's just a taste of the "FREE TRADE" the globalist are bringing in.
    Not able to BUY OR SELL without the permission of the state.
    Or as the Bible said, not able to BUY OR SELL without the mark of the Beast.

    sounds like mass slavery & dictatorship to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post

    "mass slavery, dictatorship,"
    Cashless Society, Id Chips (recommended for children no less), 24/7 surveillance of populous EQUALS mass slavery & dictatorship FJ.
    By those than run the sytem & their suragates the polticians.
    Anyone not falling in line with gov't "recommendations" loose access to money, jobs food water or simply access to certain parts of public life.
    See what happened to the Canadian Truckers. Gov't locked their bank accounts, and even digital donations were blocked.
    All that happened After they were told by gov't NOT to cross the boarder or not to drive at all if they didn't follow gov't mandates.
    That's just a taste of the "FREE TRADE" the globalist are bringing in.
    Not able to BUY OR SELL without the permission of the state.
    Or as the Bible said, not able to BUY OR SELL without the mark of the Beast.

    sounds like mass slavery & dictatorship to me.
    See that sounds nothing like mass slavery or dictatorship, let alone nazi-style, or even a plan for billions dead. Your example also sounds like massive government overreach by Trudeau which is having harmful effects on his poll numbers.

    https://morningconsult.com/global-le...val/#section-2

    The trend for Trudea isn't looking good and neither for Canada being in the right direction. Don't get me wrong, it's nothing that I'm in favor of and a picture of Trudeau hanging out with the young globalists when he was at summer camp isn't going to sway me; it takes a little more but you already knew that.

    I would like a line from globalists to billions dead though. I'm sure that would be entertaining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Fair point but we have moronically destructive organizations right here at home that makes fighting the imaginary ones like charging at windmills. To the former which makes it necessary to win elections and I'm pretty sure we're on that same page.
    That would be the point to my comment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    See that sounds nothing like mass slavery or dictatorship, let alone nazi-style, or even a plan for billions dead. Your example also sounds like massive government overreach by Trudeau which is having harmful effects on his poll numbers.

    https://morningconsult.com/global-le...val/#section-2

    The trend for Trudea isn't looking good and neither for Canada being in the right direction. Don't get me wrong, it's nothing that I'm in favor of and a picture of Trudeau hanging out with the young globalists when he was at summer camp isn't going to sway me; it takes a little more but you already knew that.

    I would like a line from globalists to billions dead though. I'm sure that would be entertaining.

    Seems to me that you want an open confession by the globalists. As if they are that stupid or insanely crazy.
    As if any group egaging in a conspiracy, one that seeks to gain ultimate power over all peoples /nations would happily leave out in the open to be readily seen. When one knows such would ultimately expose them and bring easy discovery and defeat.
    Such folly by such evil doers are as rare as hens's teeth.
    Always demanding that the other guy must give you absolute proof, or research when you yourself rarely gives it to support your own stand, imho.
    Must nbe a preset to gain advantage and paint the opponent as devious, lazy or else foolhardy/stupid. -Tyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    See that sounds nothing like mass slavery or dictatorship, let alone nazi-style, or even a plan for billions dead. Your example also sounds like massive government overreach by Trudeau which is having harmful effects on his poll numbers.

    https://morningconsult.com/global-le...val/#section-2

    The trend for Trudeau isn't looking good and neither for Canada being in the right direction. Don't get me wrong, it's nothing that I'm in favor of and a picture of Trudeau hanging out with the young globalists when he was at summer camp isn't going to sway me; it takes a little more but you already knew that.

    I would like a line from globalists to billions dead though. I'm sure that would be entertaining.
    I just gave you part 1.
    I hadn't gotten to the "billions dead" yet part.
    Had to go to work.

    But just to be clear
    Trudeau is just 1 western example.
    (And yes I know evidence of Trudeau and other officials world wide working with globalist in gloablist private groups and implementing globalist agendas doesn't count as evidence somehow in your mind.)

    But it is strange that you don't think the globalist plan to implement the Chinese social credit system all over the world is really slavery or dictatorship?
    It's just a little "government overreach".
    Since it's not exactly like the NAZIs. it's not a problem?
    So Chinese style gov't & "Free Trade" is NOT really nazi like enough or dictatorship or mass slavery in your mind.
    it's just a bit of "overreach" that's "unpopular" so it's should not be taken seriously?

    oookkk
    you do that but please some of us do see it as a real an growing problem
    as said before, they are incrementalist a little less freedom here, a little less there, some off the top, soon there's nothing left but mass slavery and dictatorship.
    Even if we don't have to say Heil Hitler.
    I mean the Chinese all still vote right?


    -next post billions killed-
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