eXpelled!

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I can't wait to take my kids to see this next month!



Interesting Ben Stein movie coming out this spring 2008.

Ben Stein makes public the ostracism of well known and respected scientists from
the scientific community due to their daring to suggest that intelligent design should
be considered as a possible reason for man's existence.

It looks like the movie should be interesting.

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I'm surprised nobody else here thinks this would be a great film!

[Hobbit]

Ah so somebody DID beat me to it. I'd have commented before, but I don't come to the movies section often. My friends and I are all going to see it on Saturday.

[Hagbard Celine]

Intelligent design has been unequivocally exoised as pseudoscience. It's nothing more than a (false) philosophical argument (the clockmaker) pushed to the forefront (again: it was done before under the name "Creationism") by a fringe group of religious folks bent on reading Genesis literally.
But I guess the comedian Ben Stein will finally put the "debate" (there isn't one) to rest with his movie.
I just really feel for the "scientists" that have been so brutally silenced by those bad ol' Darwinist pagans.

[theHawk]

Intelligent design has been unequivocally exoised as pseudoscience. It's nothing more than a (false) philosophical argument pushed to the forefront (again: it was done before under the name "Creationism") by a fringe group of religious folks bent on reading Genesis literally.
But I guess the comedian Ben Stein will finally put the "debate" (there isn't one) to rest with his movie.
I just really feel for the "scientists" that have been so brutally silenced by those bad ol' Darwinist pagans.

I think the intention is to open the debate, since most liberals are completely closed about it and are unwilling to debate it. Kind of like what your post demonstrates.

[Hagbard Celine]

I think the intention is to open the debate, since most liberals are completely closed about it and are unwilling to debate it. Kind of like what your post demonstrates.

The problem with your post is that the debate has already taken place. ID has been exposed as pseudoscience unequivocally. The problem is that they do still need to sell tickets to that ID "museum" they built out in corn land so I guess a few people are still grasping at these straws. I don't know why. It seems like a waste of time to beat a dead horse. That's just me though.

[glockmail]

I'm surprised nobody else here thinks this would be a great film!

I just saw it advertised this last week and am planning on taking my kids the next rainy Saturday or Sunday.

[Dilloduck]

The problem with your post is that the debate has already taken place. ID has been exposed as pseudoscience unequivocally. The problem is that they do still need to sell tickets to that ID "museum" they built out in corn land so I guess a few people are still grasping at these straws. I don't know why. It seems like a waste of time to beat a dead horse. That's just me though.

Who decided the debate was over and settled ?

[Hagbard Celine]

Who decided the debate was over and settled ?

Usually when one side of a debate is exposed to be false, it ends the debate.

[Dilloduck]

Usually when one side of a debate is exposed to be false, it ends the debate.

Then why do the "victors" give a damn about these losers making a few bucks off a failed debate effort ?

[Hagbard Celine]

Then why do the "victors" give a damn about these losers making a few bucks off a failed debate effort ?

As I've said before, there are extremists on both sides of all issues who will hoot and beat their chests at any percieved "victory." The only victor in these types of debates though is the collective consciousness. Yahoos in various form are ephemeral at best.

[theHawk]

The problem with your post is that the debate has already taken place. ID has been exposed as pseudoscience unequivocally. The problem is that they do still need to sell tickets to that ID "museum" they built out in corn land so I guess a few people are still grasping at these straws. I don't know why. It seems like a waste of time to beat a dead horse. That's just me though.

Oh, you mean debunked like the following arguement against ID:

I wonder. Did this intelligent being get bored with dinosaurs? For one-hundred million years, dinosaurs were the dominant large animals on earth, and then bang! they were gone with the exception of a few species in the bird family. According to intelligent design supporters, the following must be an untold story of the bible. T-rex and triceratops stopped worshipping the ultimate intelligent designer and started worshipping the rock God. In a rage the intelligent designer (who intelligent design "theorists" can't call God, if they want to sneak their fairy tale into schools) smited them all with fire from the sky.

http://www.useless-knowledge.com/123...rticle026.html

Yea, thats really a great debate there.


I'm not saying everything about ID is 100% correct. But many aspects of its arguements are interesting. Just because scientists scream they have no way of testing it, doesn't make it false in my opinion.

[dan]

Then why do the "victors" give a damn about these losers making a few bucks off a failed debate effort ?

For one thing, two people in this very thread have said that they're bringing their kids to see it, clearly to show them that it's not a failed effort, but to be taught that it's correct, and I'm sure many, many others across the country are doing the same thing.

[Hagbard Celine]

Oh, you mean debunked like the following arguement against ID:


http://www.useless-knowledge.com/123...rticle026.html

Yea, thats really a great debate there.


I'm not saying everything about ID is 100% correct. But many aspects of its arguements are interesting. Just because scientists scream they have no way of testing it, doesn't make it false in my opinion.

You think you're cool because you found an example of a pundit using sarcasm? I have another game you can play: Go outside and everytime a plane flies over yell-out "PLANE!" and point and wave frantically so all you neighbors will know.
The fact that ID can't be tested proves that it's not science.

[Hobbit]

You think you're cool because you found an example of a pundit using sarcasm? I have another game you can play: Go outside and everytime a plane flies over yell-out "PLANE!" and point and wave frantically so all you neighbors will know.
The fact that ID can't be tested proves that it's not science.

Evolution can't be tested either, and I don't see that being junked as science. The debate isn't over. It hasn't even started yet since anytime somebody says anything about it, the academia equivalent of the Spanish Inquisition drops down around their ears and shouts them down. Last I checked, that wasn't winning a debate, it was throwing a tantrum.