"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
Tullius Cicero (106-43 BC)
Sorry bout that,
1. I understand your point.
2. And it was very well made.
3. Why should Islam expect anything else from *The West*.
4. Islam isn't winning the hearts of America, or any other Nation.
5. With constant attacks on innocent people.
6. I just wonder like hell, when will *The West* really start getting tough with Islam?
7. As of now, we have fought with the gloves on.
8. When shall we take the gloves off, and what shall make us do it is the main question.
Regards,
SirJamesofTexas
"At Times We Cry, At Time We Fly" ~CWN
"See You Down The Road Man" ~ CWN
To say all muslims is just as dishonest as pretending its just a fringe, it is mainstream islam today, and has been for the last 1400 years, just because not all, do the terrorist acts, doesnt mean, not most are taught to commit jihad, and many support it financially or our sympathetic to it.
you see to make excuses for it, in a sense
you are wrong. mainstream muslim society does NOT seek to destroy the west. I make no excuses for radical extremist islam. I object when folks who claim to have been to the region - such as yourself - remain willfully ignorant of it and of the people living there,
You are wrong. Main stream muslims follow the laws of islam. Which is to conquer and subdue the infidel. Just because they are not taking up arms does not mean they are not supporting the radicals.
For someone who has been there, you remain willfully ignorant of what is going on. Things have changed since you were there. Muslim propaganda and hate has been ramped up. It's like me saying I know what's going on in Vietnam now because I was there 41 years ago.
You claim to know a lot about islam because you read up on it. You read books by apologists and dhimmis who want to paint islam as something nice and wonderful when its and evil cult that is the complete opposite of everything you believe in. Not all muslims are evil, but the majority have been misled. That group continues to grow, not because of what we do, but because its drilled into them daily. The media there is as effective as the media here.
When I die I'm sure to go to heaven, cause I spent my time in hell.
You get more with a kind word and a two by four, than you do with just a kind word.
and you know this because you were in the middle east...when?
and please tell me how you know what books I read?
Is Sayyid Qutb an apologist and dhimmi?
And again...please tell me the basis for your apparent expertise regarding middle east media and its effectiveness.
I'll wait.
I never said I was in the middle east.
I know what books you have said you read in posts on this board many moons ago. They were all apologist authors at that time.
Haven't read Qutb so can't comment on that author. Have you read Spencer?
Let's see. Shows for children that call for them to join jihad and hate jews and infidels. Shows depicting jews as evil monsters seeking arab victims. Talk shows condemning Israel with speakers and imams talking about the destruction of Israel. News reports condemning Israel and praising hamas and hezbo. Holocaust denial. Not to mention the tons of stuff on the internet.
When I die I'm sure to go to heaven, cause I spent my time in hell.
You get more with a kind word and a two by four, than you do with just a kind word.
For it is by Grace you have been saved, through faith -- and this not of yourselves, it is the gift of God -- not by works, so that no one can boast. Eph 2:8-9
The thing that gets me is the unbelievable gall of these people. What do they expect when the only thing that ever comes out of the Middle East is violence?
Does Monkeybone have to choke a bitch?
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" —Benjamin Franklin, 1759
"I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is."
~Albert Camus