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    Default It never stops: Wash state statute grants citizens standing to challenge Obama birth

    (sigh) Well, it appears that a state law in Washington, gets past one of the problems people have had in suing Barack Obama to prove he is a natural-born citizen. Several courts have already stated that ordinary citizens can't sue him, since they have not been directly harmed by his not being eligible for the Presidency (if he's not).

    But Washington apparently has a well-tested state law that says otherwise, at least for Washington state citizens.

    It never stops, folks.....

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    http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=84966

    Eligibility case finds 'standing'?
    New suit claims unique state law enables citizens to demand proof

    Posted: December 30, 2008
    9:54 pm Eastern

    By Drew Zahn

    A new case challenging Barack Obama's natural-born citizenship and, therefore, constitutional eligibility to serve as president has the potential to clear a hurdle that caused several other similar cases' dismissal: the issue of "standing."

    In the case brought by Pennsylvania Democrat Philip Berg, for example, a federal judge ruled against the lawsuit in deciding Berg lacked the "standing" to sue, arguing that the election of Obama wouldn't cause the plaintiff specific, personal injury.

    In Washington state's Broe v. Reed case, however, plaintiff's attorney Stephen Pidgeon says a unique state statute grants everyday citizens the required standing.

    "These lawsuits have pointed their fingers at the various secretaries of state and said, 'You handle the elections, it's your job [to verify Obama's eligibility],'" Stephen Pidgeon told WND, "and the secretaries of state have said, 'No, it's not our job. You the voter have to prove he was ineligible.' But when the voters try to do it, the courts tell them they have no standing. So it presents a catch-22.

    "Here, we have standing by means of statute," Pidgeon continued. "This particular statute provides for any registered voter to challenge the election of a candidate if the candidate at the time of the election was ineligible to hold office."

    Where's the proof Barack Obama was born in the U.S. or that he fulfills the "natural-born American" clause in the Constitution? If you still want to see it, join more than 200,000 others and sign up now!

    Further, Pidgeon explained, "In Washington we also have a constitutional clause in Article 1 that says the U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of land, so it's very much a state issue that the secretary of state has a duty to enforce the U.S. Constitution.

    "He doesn't think he does; we think he does. That's really the issue before the court," Pidgeon said.

    Washington's secretary of state, Mr. Sam Reed, has opposed the lawsuit, brought by a group of 12 registered Washington voters with Pidgeon's representation, on several grounds, including the argument that the issue is moot now that Obama has been voted upon by the people.

    Pidgeon argues, however, that even if Obama remains in office two years from now, the issue will not be moot.

    "The Constitution's criteria for president are never moot," Pidgeon explained. "Article 2, Section 1 says 'eligible to the Office of President'; it doesn't say 'eligible for candidacy to the Office of President."

    Therefore, Pidgeon argues, the Constitution's natural-born citizen clause specifically and expressly addresses the man sitting in the Oval Office, not just the main elected and waiting to get in.

    "If, at any time during his tenure, a birth certificate actually surfaces showing [Obama] born in Kenya," Pidgeon said, "he is disqualified from the presidency at any time. And the constitutional crisis that is rising out of this – the longer he's in that office, the greater the problem becomes, because everything he does will be illegal."

    The Washington Supreme Court is set to hear Broe v. Reed on Jan. 8, but the entire case may be delayed intentionally, as the plaintiffs wait to see if the court will rule first on a requested subpoena of Obama's birth certificate from Hawaii.
    "The social contract exists so that everyone doesn’t have to squat in the dust holding a spear to protect his woman and his meat all day every day. It does not exist so that the government can take your spear, your meat, and your woman because it knows better what to do with them." - Instapundit.com

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    good for them...imagine that...wanting to enforce the constitution...all they are asking is to have proof, nothing wrong with that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yurt View Post
    good for them...imagine that...wanting to enforce the constitution...all they are asking is to have proof, nothing wrong with that...
    I concur, just get it done and behind us.
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    I just don't get this no "standing" thing. Being that the Constitution clearly sets the qualifications, why wouldn't any U.S. citizen have "standing" ?
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    Tehehehehehehehe!!!!!!!!!!!

    Anything to keep the 'lil ones pissing down their legs and screaming, Mama,,,,,he cheated, and otherwise out of the business of the adults!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's all good with me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by crin63 View Post
    I concur, just get it done and behind us.
    exactly...obama posts up a copy of the original and this thing is dead in the water if it proves him a citizen and nothing else untoward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. P View Post
    I just don't get this no "standing" thing. Being that the Constitution clearly sets the qualifications, why wouldn't any U.S. citizen have "standing" ?
    i don't either...i completely disagree with the courts so far on the standing issue
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    I'll go along with the 'no standing' being weird. On the other hand, it seems he's released enough info, as has the state of Hawaii to convince the courts, seems to be the end of discussion. Seems we have enough problems to discuss for the next 4 years, at least.


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    Any white president ever faced a similar challenge ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    Any white president ever faced a similar challenge ?
    Yep, John McCain & Barry Goldwater, though never got as far, as they didn't get to this stage.


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    They're both candidates, but I take your point. Not necessarily a racist attack then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    Any white president ever faced a similar challenge ?
    McCain was challenged..He provided the documents.

    Have I told you yet today "YOU'RE AND IDIOT"?

    I'm thinking more like "MORON" honestly.
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    I do enjoy it when the DP intelligentsia turns out. What's your rank, kapo ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    Any white president ever faced a similar challenge ?
    mccain...and he provided not only a copy of the original birth certificate but further medical documents to prove his birth entitled him to run for office...

    obama - not a copy of the original, and thats it...it would take him as much time to produce a copy of the original as the electronic copy, but he is hiding something
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    Yurt;
    but he is hiding something
    Yeah, that will be the location of his spaceship and the original boots of the body he stole.

    And McCain was never president, fortunately.
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    if he did come down in a spaceship..maybe they can beam him back to where he came from...they probably need him to save their planet...
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