The difference is intent. Am I dating a certain guy JUST for a fancy-schmancy meal? Unless he knows that up-front, it's disingenuous.
I still dunno. I don't care that much about fancy meals that I would "date" some guy that was not at all interesting to me or that I couldn't see some possibility of a future with.
Argue for your limitations, and sure enough, they're yours.
In some cases I would agree...I just think that a lot of women today feel that they "deserve" fancy dinners and expensive presents from men. I have a few male friends that always seem to take up with this "type". Expect the expensive hotel rooms on trips...trips to the mall for "stuff"....expensive dinner dates etc.
I am like you though...I won't go out with a man if I don't think their could be a possibility of a relationship. I'm not interested in going through man after man...just for kicks and freebies.
Perhaps we feel that way because men of that sort seem to expect certain rights or liberties. I'm not into fancy, I don't want expensive gifts from somebody unless they're special and I really am not a mall person.
Girls are weird sometimes, Shadow.
But boys are still more weirder yet. giggle.gif
Argue for your limitations, and sure enough, they're yours.
My wife "expects" a nice dinner out on 2 occasions, her birthday and valentines day. Otherwise we're both just as happy to be at home. She does love jewelry, but doesn't even care if it's expensive , she just likes a little gold.
She does however insist on having a new car every 2 years. But that's not that big a deal really.
I expect jack.
Valentines is a Hallmark holiday, IMO, so my fella gets off easy there. My birthday ... that's a nice time to go out. Jewelry is ok, but I rarely wear anything but the earrings/studs I keep in all the time. One of my minions bought me a necklace with his own money for Christmas. It has had residence around my neck since early this morning.
I always, always, ALWAYS insist on having a vehicle that is reasonably safe and dependable. I like driving Gunny's truck cuz I are a redneck.
I'm way too easy, aren't I?
Argue for your limitations, and sure enough, they're yours.
That could very well be true,they could be looking for arm candy or a trophy to show off. That's too much work for me...I would rather relax and enjoy time spent doing things with Joe average anyway. Just the 24/7 maintenance it would require to stay trophy worthy would wear me out... and I ain't all that girly anyway (and don't care to be).
Guess the high maint girls and the men that look for them can have each other.
Most women *like* to be wined & dined occasionally. Men should have no problem showing women they're worth it.
The flip side being, women expect to be treated as equals in life, so they should also be expected to wine & dine their men from time to time,
If you really like each other, does it really matter who foots the bill?
In my view,no. As a matter of fact, I've spent a huge portion of my dating and married life footing the bill and going without, so that my partner could use his time and money building a business. I know what it's like to be "equal" in that regard. Unfortunately...you also run into the takers...who use you because you are conveinient...and then dump you for your efforts to hook up with the "trophy"....who then gets all the rewards. Lets just say I am more careful nowdays.
But...I do get what you are saying...the best thing in any relationship is an equal amount of give and take.