FULL: Trumps Press Conference speech about events in Charlottesville.

[michiganFats]

I tend to agree more with this:

I have a little bit of a problem with what the Republicans have been saying about this. Ronna Romney is telling people not to bother participating in elections or politics in general and then McConnell follows that up with talk of American ideals and freedoms. I thought that one of our ideals is that everyone gets a seat at the political table, even people with views many of us may not want to hear.

[jimnyc]

I know. I know. Dead cops are just bumps in the road for BLM and their goals.

And I believe it all started with "Burn this bitch down"

[Kathianne]

I have a little bit of a problem with what the Republicans have been saying about this. Ronna Romney is telling people not to bother participating in elections or politics in general and then McConnell follows that up with talk of American ideals and freedoms. I thought that one of our ideals is that everyone gets a seat at the political table, even people with views many of us may not want to hear.

I have to say as someone who left the GOP because of what I saw as a influx of folks I just couldn't go along with, it's good to hear that some discernment is being advocated. It's their right under 'free speech' to say what they wish. It's your right to vote for whom you like, be in whatever party you wish, or if I remember correctly, like me you've decided to be independent.

Whatever the GOP leaders say, alt-right members can still sign up to be good members of the party.

[revelarts]

BLM was chanting "Pigs in a blanket. Fry em like bacon" in the weeks leading up to Dallas. Remember when Obama came down hard on the group he endorsed for their hateful rhetoric?
Me neither.

seriously?
-you can lead a horse to water
-none so blind as those that will not see
-

or maybe you just missed it... them

...“In a movement like Black Lives Matter, there’s always going to be some folks who say things that are stupid, or imprudent, or overgeneralized, or harsh,” Obama told reporters at a Sunday press conference, just three days after an African-American cop-hating racist murdered five police officers who were guarding a Black Lives Matter protest in Dallas.
“Everybody involved in the Black Lives Matter movement … I want all of them to maintain a respectful, thoughtful tone — because, as a practical matter, that’s what’s going to get change done,” Obama said...
...."Any violence directed at police officers is a reprehensible crime and needs to be prosecuted. But even rhetorically, if we paint police in broad brush, without recognizing that the vast majority of police officers are doing a really good job and are trying to protect people and do so fairly and without racial bias, if our rhetoric does not recognize that, then we’re going to lose allies in the reform cause."...

...President Barack Obama today scolded those responsible for the riots in Ferguson on Monday night, saying, “Burning buildings, torching cars, destroying property, putting people at risk – that’s destructive, and there’s no excuse for it. Those are criminal acts, and people should be prosecuted for it.” Speaking to an audience in Chicago, Mr Obama added, “Nothing of significance, nothing of benefit results from destructive acts.”...
..Of the rioters in Ferguson, he added: “I have no sympathy at all for destroying your own communities.”
Meanwhile, Mr Holder told reporters that he was “disappointed” by the scenes emerging from St Louis. “Acts of violence threaten to drown out those that have legitimate voices,” he said. “The way we’ve made progress in this country is we’ve seen peaceful, nonviolent demonstrations.”...

Mr Obama harshly criticised "a handful of people" for "senseless violence and destruction".
"That is not a protest, that is not a statement, they are stealing."

...President Barack Obama on Tuesday condemned the "criminals and thugs who tore up" the city of Baltimore.."There's no excuse for the kind of violence that we saw yesterday. It is counterproductive," Obama said at a press conference from the White House. "When individuals get crowbars and start prying open doors to loot, they're not protesting. They're not making a statement. They're stealing. When they burn down a building, they're committing arson. And they're destroying and undermining businesses and opportunities in their own communities. That robs jobs and opportunity from people in that area."...

etc etc etc

[revelarts]

...
And I don't give a flying monkey fuck about history as it is - I'm speaking about the ACTIONS that took place over the weekend. Harsh feelings about the past is a pretty shitty reason to judge current actions.

so when will the Antifa acts of this weekend or last year be History enough for you not to give a ...------... about what they did?

look the problem with your bombastic dismissal of the LONG history of the kkk, Nazis etc is that that history a predictor of the CURRENT and future actions Jim. these present groups have ADOPTED those historical ideas and tactics for application TODAY.

And Agian I have to bring up another equivalency,
People here OFTEN bring up the LONG history of ISLAM.
Do you " give a flying monkey fuck about" that "history" Jim?
or ONLY look back at what they did this weekend out of historical context?
And setting aside... any murders as separate from other events going on at the murder sites.

[michiganFats]

I have to say as someone who left the GOP because of what I saw as a influx of folks I just couldn't go along with, it's good to hear that some discernment is being advocated. It's their right under 'free speech' to say what they wish. It's your right to vote for whom you like, be in whatever party you wish, or if I remember correctly, like me you've decided to be independent.

Whatever the GOP leaders say, alt-right members can still sign up to be good members of the party.

I didn't know anything about White nationalists or White Separatists or the Alt-Right until this happened but I've been doing a lot of reading about them for the last few days. The GOP just did exactly what those people have been complaining about; out of all the blame to go around they singled out the White people and said they don't fit in with American ideals and freedoms. Yes, obviously they can still go vote for anyone they want to vote for but they were specifically called out.

We just had a Democratic Socialist run for President; no one denounced him. Democratic Socialism doesn't fit in with American ideals and freedoms but a lot of people were feeling the Bern and the GOP didn't denounce him for being un American even though he is. I voted for Obama in 2012 ( I thought Romney would have been even worse) but some of his appointees and advisers were just as guilty of holding a race or other minority based political worldview but the GOP didn't denounce them as being un American so if the GOP's real problem isn't holding the race based viewpoint then what is it?

I know the GOP doesn't really have an anti-White viewpoint and they said what they said for purely short-term political reasons but the point remains they did just apply an uneven standard based on race and when it comes to American ideals and freedoms maybe they should look in the mirror and back off of that and just focus on putting people in jail who deserve it from now on. Like people who wear masks and wield weapons at protests. That's not protesting, that's a felony in many states.

I think Trump is the only one who got this right.

[Kathianne]

I didn't know anything about White nationalists or White Separatists or the Alt-Right until this happened but I've been doing a lot of reading about them for the last few days. The GOP just did exactly what those people have been complaining about; out of all the blame to go around they singled out the White people and said they don't fit in with American ideals and freedoms. Yes, obviously they can still go vote for anyone they want to vote for but they were specifically called out.

We just had a Democratic Socialist run for President; no one denounced him. Democratic Socialism doesn't fit in with American ideals and freedoms but a lot of people were feeling the Bern and the GOP didn't denounce him for being un American even though he is. I voted for Obama in 2012 ( I thought Romney would have been even worse) but some of his appointees and advisers were just as guilty of holding a race or other minority based political worldview but the GOP didn't denounce them as being un American so if the GOP's real problem isn't holding the race based viewpoint then what is it?

I know the GOP doesn't really have an anti-White viewpoint and they said what they said for purely short-term political reasons but the point remains they did just apply an uneven standard and when it comes to American ideals and freedoms maybe they should look in the mirror and back off of that and just focus on putting people in jail who deserve it from now on. Like people who wear masks and wield weapons at protests. That's not protesting, that's a felony in many states.

I didn't vote for Sanders, doubt you did either. Yes, many on the far left, especially the young, (again, the most easily influenced because of their ignorance), did vote for him. Believe me, if Bernie throws on a mask and starts breaking heads or store fronts, I'll be calling for his arrest.

Again, since Ferguson we've seen many, many, many posts about the anarchists and BLM, not much about those that did show up to fight with them, especially at speeches and such on university campuses and particularly at Trump rallies during the campaign. The criticism was directed, mostly correctly, to the violence of the left. So too regarding the right media, focus on the violence of the left. MSM, as I've said repeatedly the past couple days, was on the costs of destruction of property. They made no attempt to call out the leftist violence or even in a meaningful way discuss the actions of anarchists.

All that is worthy of discussion, here and on the really needed larger conversation meeting place. None of which changes the Friday hate spewed, leading up to the worse outcome on Saturday.

Trump didn't cause any of it, but once again his statements have caused the narrative to change to him and his message. It's Trump being Trump.

[michiganFats]

Trump didn't cause any of it, but once again his statements have caused the narrative to change to him and his message. It's Trump being Trump.

Good, his message is correct. I especially like what he said about prosecution stemming from this, on both sides. Tossing felons in jail is a good thing.

You're right, I wasn't feeling the Bern.

[Kathianne]

Good, his message is correct. I especially like what he said about prosecution stemming from this, on both sides. Tossing felons in jail is a good thing.

You're right, I wasn't feeling the Bern.

I don't agree with Trump on the equivalency, but I'm all for prosecuting violent people. Yes, on that count there should be plenty of arrests on both sides. There should also be outrage at how the police handled this, if it's as I suspect, they were told to 'stand down' from the politicians to the chief/superintendent/commissioner, that should be made very clear.

The stand down orders need to stop, if they'd never been allowed, odds are that girl would still be alive and the 19 or so people wouldn't have been in the hospital.

[Black Diamond]

seriously?
-you can lead a horse to water
-none so blind as those that will not see
-

or maybe you just missed it... them







etc etc etc

You call that condemning them and coming down hard on them. That's funny stuff.

[michiganFats]

seriously?
-you can lead a horse to water
-none so blind as those that will not see
-

or maybe you just missed it... them







etc etc etc

From your post:

In a movement like Black Lives Matter, there’s always going to be some folks who say things that are stupid, or imprudent, or overgeneralized, or harsh,” Obama told reporters at a Sunday press conference, just three days after an African-American cop-hating racist murdered five police officers who were guarding a Black Lives Matter protest in Dallas.
“Everybody involved in the Black Lives Matter movement … I want all of them to maintain a respectful, thoughtful tone — because, as a practical matter, that’s what’s going to get change done,” Obama said...
...."Any violence directed at police officers is a reprehensible crime and needs to be prosecuted.

Enhance...

But even rhetorically, if we paint police in broad brush, without recognizing that the vast majority of police officers are doing a really good job and are trying to protect people and do so fairly and without racial bias, if our rhetoric does not recognize that, then we’re going to lose allies in the reform cause."...

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Sure Jim, but here's the thing, it seems to me that once an event/protest ...even one with a few scuffles... turns in a mass murder scene.
folks don't get separate out the murder as an aside. and focus on other issues.
Especially when the groups holding the event by have by default violent ideals and like 300+ years of horrific violence behind them.

objectively speaking murder and attempted mass murder is not an aside for those groups.
Antifa's history of violence isn't even close Jim.

Antifa's history of violence isn't even close Jim

^^^^^ Rev. what the hell would that have to do with the price of eggs in China???

Both sides engaging in hatred and thinking they have the right to take violent actions is in no way justified...
And certainly not by an erroneous comparison of which side has the worst record , when both sides are radical hate mongering pieces of shit...

KKK AND Antifa are both extremely bad groups...

The primary thing we should be concerned with is the leftists/dems/libs that are now engaging in this destroy history and vilify those that oppose their insane ideology and tendency to seek violence and oppression first themselves ..
Conservatives did not do this crap when their socialist lying piece of shit prez trashed this nation for 8 long years!!!

Would help if you opened the other eye amigo, IMHO.-TYR

[aboutime]

How disgusting can one group of ignorant, dummies get before they actually admit...THEY ARE EITHER deaf, or Perfectly Stupid?

The President can make any statement he wants, and the Dumbest among us keep insisting they are Offended, and the President should be impeached.

If this stupidity, ignorance, and hatred is permitted to grow unabated. The people making the most noise about their hatred WILL DESTROY THIS NATION.

And even then. They will blame Trump, or Me, and people like me for telling the truth.

[michiganFats]

The people making the most noise about their hatred WILL DESTROY THIS NATION.

Many of them don't understand this but that is the point behind all of this.

[Kathianne]

Right. It is so simple, listen to Trump and trust all that AT and MF say or be responsible for the end of the world. No consideration that perhaps you've been had? Nah!