Globalists

[fj1200]

That's a mouthful

In context, the problem with globalization as I assume you mean it is, every time some jackass country goes off the rails like Russia, China or even the US, it impacts everyone. In that regard, I am all for self-sufficiency. Yes, it would be nice if free trade made everything hunky-dory for everyone, but it does not. I'm not even including what Biden has done to our balance sheet in that.

If global free trade (I'm assuming since that's where you usually go) is done responsibly and everyone gets what they're after in the end; sure, it's a nice dream. When it is what it is, not so nice. The current administration is putting us upside down on everything.

Problem with free trade is corrupt government meddling, at time in collusion with other governments. I do believe that is the context in which the term "globalists" is used most on this board.

I'm wondering how all this free trade/global economy works once China replaces us at the top of the heap. Lest anyone mistake where I'm going with THAT ... WE are doing THAT to ourselves. Then maybe we won't have it so good here but it'll be too late for the crybabies starting all the shit to get a do-over.

I'm not talking about globalization and free trade which I am generally for. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of the globalists and the evidence of what they've accomplished, or committed some might say. I guess the context used on this board would be helpful as well. Just who are these globalists who are the biden puppetmasters and what is the evidence against them that shows the detrimental actions that they've taken?

[SassyLady]

I'm not talking about globalization and free trade which I am generally for. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of the globalists and the evidence of what they've accomplished, or committed some might say. I guess the context used on this board would be helpful as well. Just who are these globalists who are the biden puppetmasters and what is the evidence against them that shows the detrimental actions that they've taken?

We can start with George Soros. Open border policies ... wants a world without borders and the UN in charge.
https://archive.humanevents.com/2011...-is-dangerous/

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

We can start with George Soros. Open border policies ... wants a world without borders and the UN in charge.
https://archive.humanevents.com/2011...-is-dangerous/

Soros was set up as a globalist puppet from the start, imho.
IMHO, a good research into his beginnings points out that he has no soul, lives for greed and does the biddings of the globalists with the money that they set him up with at the start.
And he owns the entire dem party leadership, has owned them for decades.
A totally evil POS, IMHO. -Tyr

[fj1200]

We can start with George Soros. Open border policies ... wants a world without borders and the UN in charge.
https://archive.humanevents.com/2011...-is-dangerous/

But not much in the way of accomplishments IMHO. The world has borders and the UN is not in charge.

[fj1200]

Soros was set up as a globalist puppet from the start, imho.
IMHO, a good research into his beginnings points out that he has no soul, lives for greed and does the biddings of the globalists with the money that they set him up with at the start.
And he owns the entire dem party leadership, has owned them for decades.
A totally evil POS, IMHO. -Tyr

I'd argue that the Koch brothers have been far more successful at moving an agenda forward.

[Gunny]

I'm not talking about globalization and free trade which I am generally for. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of the globalists and the evidence of what they've accomplished, or committed some might say. I guess the context used on this board would be helpful as well. Just who are these globalists who are the biden puppetmasters and what is the evidence against them that shows the detrimental actions that they've taken?

That's better. "globalist(s)" has more than couple of definitions. I'll try again and maybe not run all over the place this time

"Biden's handlers". I don't consider them "globalists". Anyone defining them as such is using the wrong word(s), as it appears is per some plan. The fact there is no concrete evidence is the issue (with me). I suspect if there was, it would go the way of Hunter Biden's laptop anyway. What appears to be obvious to all can't be supported by any facts/hard evidence.

Quick aside: how nay times have we been burned by the nonexistent slippery slope simply because the left is good at hiding it, or nowadays, just denies it and refuses to address it? They keep everyone constantly chasing their "Russian collusion/abuse of power with Ukraine/Jan 6th" crap and refuse to address anything else.

Back to Biden: Ran as a moderate. I would never call him a moderate, but neither would I call him a far left extremist except where firearms are concerned. The agenda this WH is pursuing is not Biden (meaning unlike Biden historically). It's too extreme. Fossil fuels. The border. Schools. Who is and who is not a "domestic terrorist". He/in his name is pushing "let them eat cake". Doesn't matter what the Constitution states -- it's what the Biden admin/bureaucracy dictates. The Bureaucracy being a whole topic unto itself.

If one was to forget all the BS from the media we have been drowned in the past almost 2 years, wouldn't one think based on actual events that the Biden admin was actually pursuing the Green New Deal?

I don't recall its name, but there is an organization behind AOC and her ilk that are actively working to put progressive Marxists in office. It's been in the media about once or twice because it doesn't suit the MSM to keep it out front. Just my opinion, but logical conclusion leads me to believe this organizations is out to replace traditional political power brokers (big oil etc) with themselves, and not only Marxist philosophy but a Marxist government and society. Going further out on the limb, it wouldn't surprise me one bit to find China supplying this group's logistics.

The best way to achieve the latter is to destroy all our traditional institutions and a careful look shows them all under attack, right down to just common sense, fact and logic. When chaos is created, the organized group with a plan is going to come out the winner.

The gradual theft of our National identity has been gradual over several generations. Self-hatred has been gradually instilled in our your over generations. Young people actually believe they can stop a cyclical change in the climate of a planet hurtling around the Sun at umpteen gazillion MPH where inches matter. It's fraudulent, multi-billion dollar industry with one goal -- shut down big oil.

There's just too much all pointing at one conclusion for me to buy off on coincidence.

As far as this being some phantom, globalist ideology with what's best for Mankind as its goal, I'll stick with my above theory. Too much lefless cooperation would be required for anything even resembling such. The League of Nation's was Woodrow Wilson's brainchild and in the end, the US is the one that wouldn't sign off because it required surrendering too much sovereignty/adopting foreign political and societal ideology. We'll kill each other off before that even comes close to happening.

[SassyLady]

But not much in the way of accomplishments IMHO. The world has borders and the UN is not in charge.

Which is why I highlighted the word "detrimental". Those are just a couple of what he wants to accomplish. His main goal is to destroy America by advocating for open borders. Now the Mexico president wants to have no borders between the US, Canada and Mexico. Wants a European Union type of setup. Which is a goal of Soros. The open border policy of Biden's administration surely pleases Soros and his followers.

[fj1200]

Which is why I highlighted the word "detrimental". Those are just a couple of what he wants to accomplish. His main goal is to destroy America by advocating for open borders. Now the Mexico president wants to have no borders between the US, Canada and Mexico. Wants a European Union type of setup. Which is a goal of Soros. The open border policy of Biden's administration surely pleases Soros and his followers.

He can have lots of wants and goals but what is the evidence? Where is this global control? "Globalists" is very nebulous, it can be anything anyone wants it to be but as of yet it seems that there are no globalists in control. Sometimes bad border policy is bad border policy.

[revelarts]

But not much in the way of accomplishments IMHO. The world has borders and the UN is not in charge.

Globalist are long term actors. Usually incrementalist.
They've wanted One world Govt since at least the 40s.
So the real question is, What's changed in practical reality... As opposed to just lines on the maps?
A partial list
-European Union... Rules, regs and Parliament thats cross boarders.
-The Euro, true cross Broder currency.
-The beginnings of a North American, South American & African unions.
-Via/with trade agreements, softer broader & immigration rules and military alliances.
-the banking systems nearly homogenized over the whole world.
-UN rules about medicine & food incrementally implemented.
-WHO rules & "recommendations" about vaccines & other measures assumed to be picked up by nations. (Like federal "guidelines" by states)
-Trans Pacific partnership, "trade agreement" that cedes sovereignty of many nations laws to a globalist corporate arbitrators.
-recently the globalist WEFs admission that they seeded the worlds major National governments with people groomed by them. Aligned with their POV. Like Trudeau in Canada & Macron in France.

To name a few of the globalist successful moves over the years.

By the way, one of the names of the old organizations that promoted the idea is the
World Federalist Society.
So the goal isn't really to erase boarders exactly. The U.S.A still has city & state boarders. But we have a FEDERAL umbrella we all are under.
That's the goal.
Not erased borders but "state" borders under a world government.
Town, County, State, Nation, Region (EU), World govt.

They aren't there but they aren't complete failures.
Especially since folks like FJ defend various aspects of the moves because of the hoped for economic or other benefits.

The world government is being built in pieces all around us,
some won't see it until it's extremely obvious ..."seems reasonable" & difficult to reverse.

[fj1200]

Globalist are long term actors. Usually incrementalist.
They've wanted One world Govt since at least the 40s.
So the real question is, What's changed in practical reality... As opposed to just lines on the maps?
A partial list
-European Union... Rules, regs and Parliament thats cross boarders.
-The Euro, true cross Broder currency.
-The beginnings of a North American, South American & African unions.
-Via/with trade agreements, softer broader & immigration rules and military alliances.
-the banking systems nearly homogenized over the whole world.
-UN rules about medicine & food incrementally implemented.
-WHO rules & "recommendations" about vaccines & other measures assumed to picked up by nations. (Like federal "guidelines" by states)
-Trans Pacific partnership, "trade agreement" that cedes sovereignty of many nations laws to a globalist corporate arbitrators.
-recently the globalist WEFs admission that they seeded the worlds major National governments with people groomed by them. Aligned with their POV. Like Trudeau in Canada & Macron in France.

To name a few of the globalist successful moves over the years.

By the way, one of the names of the old organizations that promoted the idea is the
World Federalist Society.
So the goal isn't really to erase boarders exactly. The U.S.A still has city & state boarders. But we have a FEDERAL umbrella we all are under.
That's the goal.
Not erased borders but "state" borders under a world government.
Town, County, State, Nation, Region (EU), World govt.

They aren't there but they aren't complete failures.
Especially since folks like FJ defend various aspects of the moves because of the hoped for economic or other benefits.

The world government is being built in pieces all around us,
some won't see it until it's extremely obvious ..."seems reasonable" & difficult to reverse.

Which brings me back to my original question; they're either extremely successful or feckless failures. I'll argue that they had zero to do with where the world is today and the world today is largely successful for those who've chosen a economically liberalized path. You keep providing lists of things that "globalists" want as if that is the end of the argument but for me that begs the question of actual evidence. The IMF is appallingly, embarrassingly, a failure but they're not globlaists; they're incompetent. I like free trade and treaties require rules but it doesn't cede sovereignty to globalists.

Your list above... You see proof, I see a list of things. The US has model codes, UCC, Penal, UGMA, etc. that have been adopted at the state level but states make the choice to adopt or modify. Federal conspiracy or just a thing?

Your list; are those things bad because they're bad? Or are they bad because "globalist"?

[revelarts]

Which brings me back to my original question; they're either extremely successful or feckless failures. I'll argue that they had zero to do with where the world is today and the world today is largely successful for those who've chosen a economically liberalized path. You keep providing lists of things that "globalists" want as if that is the end of the argument but for me that begs the question of actual evidence. The IMF is appallingly, embarrassingly, a failure but they're not globlaists; they're incompetent. I like free trade and treaties require rules but it doesn't cede sovereignty to globalists.

Your list above... You see proof, I see a list of things. The US has model codes, UCC, Penal, UGMA, etc. that have been adopted at the state level but states make the choice to adopt or modify. Federal conspiracy or just a thing?

Your list; are those things bad because they're bad? Or are they bad because "globalist"?

for your last question, well, I asked you similarly,... is "populism" bad by default.
your answer was ...i think... an unequivocal Yes.
while your defense of that POV wasn't very compelling.

So OK your question
"are those things bad because they're bad?
Or are they bad because 'globalist'?"

Many of those things are bad because they are globalist.
Some of those things are bad because they are bad.

BTW seems you keep using euphemisms like "economically liberalized" whenever i point out moves toward "Multinational Corporate Economic World Domination".
neat trick but I'm not buying it.
MAFIA & Cartels do bring some economic benefits but the price is a lost of freedoms and more.
the price is too high, especially when there are other ways to accomplish similar beneficial goals locally. WITHOUT the lion share of profits flowing offshore into the pockets of those entities that are already billionaires and the Financial entities that feed off of them on Wall st & London etc.

But the bottom line, the problems with globalism/one world governance are serious.
•but to begin with, large organizations of are full of people.
if there's no real check on their powers people have a tendency to be corrupt.
Globalism assumes there will be ONE ultimate source of world power.
With NO power/entity outside of it's control/authority to question or challenge it.
Power Corrupts

•If World Gov't goes bad, there's NO WHERE to run.
Just there is a recipe for a horror show.

•Add to that the fact the large orgs often fail over time simply because they become to static and unable to adjust to new information and challenges. As well as the problem of inefficiencies, problems that are not fixed down the line, and poor but entrenched management & policies. "bureaucracies".
As a capitalist you know this stuff.

Competition is not just good for Biz, it's good for NATIONS.
Having a diversity of national and local options allows for more innovation in dealing with problems ...& freedom.

And somehow, when promoting the NWO, some seem to forget (or don't believe) that Foundationally,
personal freedom is one of the highest ideals of mankind
(Gunny please notice that i said ideals not a full or complete reality)

Alternatively to ONE WORLD GOV't, the U.S Gov't was founded on the Idea the ALL Gov't rules, regs, laws AT BEST come from "the people" up through LOCAL representatives.
And stay base locally PRIMARILY. with representation at arms length. And an over arching set of basically laws & rights/constitution.

NOT rule by from a self selected corporate and/or gov't elite from above who think they know best. And can change or ignore "rights" willy nilly.

Those are core principals why world Gov't is a CRAP idea that we shouldn't even consider.
•The organizationally it's a nightmare & the competition vs monopoly principals have been reviewed in commerce for like hundreds of years now.
•AT base the understanding & problems of human nature & power are Biblically affirmed and historically obvious.
•PLUS on the Highest level, Biblically it's prophesied that a one world gov't will be a murderous Totalitarian Anti-Religious horror show.

Based on the above you can probably guess which items in my list of globalist accomplishments I think are -not as bad- ALONE, and which ones are terrible out of the gate.

[fj1200]

for your last question, well, I asked you similarly,... is "populism" bad by default.
your answer was ...i think... an unequivocal Yes.
while your defense of that POV wasn't very compelling.

So OK your question
"are those things bad because they're bad?
Or are they bad because 'globalist'?"

Many of those things are bad because they are globalist.
Some of those things are bad because they are bad.

BTW seems you keep using euphemisms like "economically liberalized" whenever i point out moves toward "Multinational Corporate Economic World Domination".
neat trick but I'm not buying it.
MAFIA & Cartels do bring some economic benefits but the price is a lost of freedoms and more.
the price is too high, especially when there are other ways to accomplish similar beneficial goals locally. WITHOUT the lion share of profits flowing offshore into the pockets of those entities that are already billionaires and the Financial entities that feed off of them on Wall st & London etc.

But the bottom line, the problems with globalism/one world governance are serious.
•but to begin with, large organizations of are full of people.
if there's no real check on their powers people have a tendency to be corrupt.
Globalism assumes there will be ONE ultimate source of world power.
With NO power/entity outside of it's control/authority to question or challenge it.
Power Corrupts

•If World Gov't goes bad, there's NO WHERE to run.
Just there is a recipe for a horror show.

•Add to that the fact the large orgs often fail over time simply because they become to static and unable to adjust to new information and challenges. As well as the problem of inefficiencies, problems that are not fixed down the line, and poor but entrenched management & policies. "bureaucracies".
As a capitalist you know this stuff.

Competition is not just good for Biz, it's good for NATIONS.
Having a diversity of national and local options allows for more innovation in dealing with problems ...& freedom.

And somehow, when promoting the NWO, some seem to forget (or don't believe) that Foundationally,
personal freedom is one of the highest ideals of mankind
(Gunny please notice that i said ideals not a full or complete reality)

Alternatively to ONE WORLD GOV't, the U.S Gov't was founded on the Idea the ALL Gov't rules, regs, laws AT BEST come from "the people" up through LOCAL representatives.
And stay base locally PRIMARILY. with representation at arms length. And an over arching set of basically laws & rights/constitution.

NOT rule by from a self selected corporate and/or gov't elite from above who think they know best. And can change or ignore "rights" willy nilly.

Those are core principals why world Gov't is a CRAP idea that we shouldn't even consider.
•The organizationally it's a nightmare & the competition vs monopoly principals have been reviewed in commerce for like hundreds of years now.
•AT base the understanding & problems of human nature & power are Biblically affirmed and historically obvious.
•PLUS on the Highest level, Biblically it's prophesied that a one world gov't will be a murderous Totalitarian Anti-Religious horror show.

Based on the above you can probably guess which items in my list of globalist accomplishments I think are -not as bad- ALONE, and which ones are terrible out of the gate.

Populism is bad. Unequivocally. Because populism is nothing and anything can be populism. There's right populists and left populists and in some cases they might be populist for the same reason. If that happens then they're probably both wrong. But I've got a thread going where you can challenge my "uncompelling" POV. I look forward to it. I did come up with my own definition for populism and based on that definition is why I call populism bad. I'm not sure quite the same applies to globalists.

I have never pointed "economically liberalized" whenever you point out "Multinational Corporate Economic World Domination." I use economically liberalized to call attention to the basis of free-market capitalist societies. Willi there be billionaires and more trading in NYC and London? Of course, nothing you can do about that; short of populist uprising and watch out for that if you think OWG is bad. Global trade is worth a lot of money and even a razor thin margin will start to mean real money.

I have also never been in favor of a one-world government. I specifically oppose one world government; it's a cosmically bad idea, unequivocally. But I am in favor of free trade and free trade pacts and it's often referred to as "globalization." But those two things are not the same.

My apologies if my missed any of your points.

[revelarts]

Which brings me back to my original question; they're either extremely successful or feckless failures. I'll argue that they had zero to do with where the world is today and the world today is largely successful for those who've chosen a economically liberalized path. You keep providing lists of things that "globalists" want as if that is the end of the argument but for me that begs the question of actual evidence. The IMF is appallingly, embarrassingly, a failure but they're not globlaists; they're incompetent. I like free trade and treaties require rules but it doesn't cede sovereignty to globalists.

Your list above... You see proof, I see a list of things. The US has model codes, UCC, Penal, UGMA, etc. that have been adopted at the state level but states make the choice to adopt or modify. Federal conspiracy or just a thing?

Your list; are those things bad because they're bad? Or are they bad because "globalist"?

Concerning your 1st assertion
---"I'll argue that they had zero to do with where the world is today and the world today is largely successful for those who've chosen a economically liberalized path."---

I'm not sure you can assume they had ZERO to do with what's happened when many are in fact at the seats of power at corportate tables and negotiation tables for the items you call "economic liberalization".

the Rockefellers, Rothchilds, Soros, and other mega rich.

they've met & planned for decades at Bilderberg and Bohemien Grove, worked out of the Council of Foreign Relations and the World Economic Forum, world banks helped choose/groom national leaders, pushed for the U.N. and it's policies & authority, the WHO it's policies & authority, the E.U. it's policies & authority, FUND/loan to Nations, the many international trade agreements you seem to like so much.
Opened up China, and South America to trade, all with the goal of global consolidation... not more personal freedom or spreading individual personal wealth indigenously.

You say the IMF & the World Banks are incompetent.
I say well MAYBE they've made a few small mistakes but bottom line is they serve their NWO function extremely well.
Which is Putting Nations in huge perpetual DEBT.
Therefore allowing a vehicle of political & financial control of the nation & it's leadership.
And feeding western corps with international contracts... "economically liberalizing" those debtor nations.
Globalist Created the Federal Reserve the World bank the IMF & WTO
they have all been very successful

....
Here are few of the other "crazier" things I believe the globalist have actively promoted successfully to various degrees,
Population Control -- acted out by Abortion laws, BS wars, and IMO Pharmaceuticals.
-The general Dissolution of the Family unit & Christian values by the cultural & legal promoting of the "sexual revolution", and promoting evolutionary BSery.
-The transformation of the education system, pre-k to university, from a Christian, national and freedom based POV into a globalist, socialist friendly & bizzaro POV.
-General manipulation of the media -- for western/corporate propaganda but also to keep certain information quiet.


A few Quotes

•REGIONALISM to Globalism
The developing coherence of Asian regional thinking is reflected in a disposition to consider problems and loyalties in regional terms, and to evolve regional approaches to development needs and to the evolution of a New World Order.
Richard M. Nixon

NAFTA is a major stepping stone to the New World Order.
Henry A. Kissinger

Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.
David Rockefeller

•Manipulation of the media
We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years......It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries.
David Rockefeller

The Technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more CONTROLLED society. Such a society would be dominated by ELITE, unrestrained by traditional values.
Zbigniew Brzezinski


•Role of the World Bank orgs
The one aim of these financiers is world control by the creation of inextinguishable debts.
Henry Ford

The powers of financial capitalism had a far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences.
Carroll Quigley

The IMF and the World Bank, the most opaque and secretive entities, put millions into NGOs who fight against "corruption" and for "transparency." They want the Rule of Law - as long as they make the laws. They want transparency in order to standardise a situation, so that global capital can flow without any impediment.
Arundhati Roy

The United States has given frequent and enthusiastic support to the overthrow of democracy in favor of "investor friendly" regimes. The World Bank, IMF, and private banks have consistently lavished huge sums on terror regimes, following their displacement of democratic governments, and a number of quantitative studies have shown a systematic positive relationship between U.S. and IMF / World Bank aid to countries and their violations of human rights.
Edward S. Herman

The World Trade Organization, The World Bank, The International Monetary Fund and other financial institutions virtually write economic policy and parliamentary legislation. With a deadly combination of arrogance and ruthlessness, they take their sledgehammers to fragile, interdependent, historically complex societies and devastate them, all under the fluttering banner of 'reform'.
Arundhati Roy

[fj1200]

Concerning your 1st assertion
---"I'll argue that they had zero to do with where the world is today and the world today is largely successful for those who've chosen a economically liberalized path."---

I'm not sure you can assume they had ZERO to do with what's happened when many are in fact at the seats of power at corportate tables and negotiation tables for the items you call "economic liberalization".

the Rockefellers, Rothchilds, Soros, and other mega rich.

they've met & planned for decades at Bilderberg and Bohemien Grove, worked out of the Council of Foreign Relations and the World Economic Forum, world banks helped choose/groom national leaders, pushed for the U.N. and it's policies & authority, the WHO it's policies & authority, the E.U. it's policies & authority, FUND/loan to Nations, the many international trade agreements you seem to like so much.
Opened up China, and South America to trade, all with the goal of global consolidation... not more personal freedom or spreading individual personal wealth indigenously.

You say the IMF & the World Banks are incompetent.
I say well MAYBE they've made a few small mistakes but bottom line is they serve their NWO function extremely well.
Which is Putting Nations in huge perpetual DEBT.
Therefore allowing a vehicle of political & financial control of the nation & it's leadership.
And feeding western corps with international contracts... "economically liberalizing" those debtor nations.
Globalist Created the Federal Reserve the World bank the IMF & WTO
they have all been very successful

....
Here are few of the other "crazier" things I believe the globalist have actively promoted successfully to various degrees,
Population Control -- acted out by Abortion laws, BS wars, and IMO Pharmaceuticals.
-The general Dissolution of the Family unit & Christian values by the cultural & legal promoting of the "sexual revolution", and promoting evolutionary BSery.
-The transformation of the education system, pre-k to university, from a Christian, national and freedom based POV into a globalist, socialist friendly & bizzaro POV.
-General manipulation of the media -- for western/corporate propaganda but also to keep certain information quiet.

...

You see conspiracy, I see incompetence. Free trade and the spread of capitalism has raised far more out of poverty than any government program come up with by some globalist think tank could ever have hoped.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rainerz...h=7d415e793dc1

If those seats of power lead to free trade and globalization then good on them. They may have stumbled into something. But you blame them for the lack of personal freedom in countries that care not a whit about their own populace. I'll repeat that there is no logic in the argument of globalists as evil who allow peole to be built up and then torn down at some point. You keep wrapping up the entirety of the argument under the "globalist" umbrella when I still just see a list of things. Some good, some bad, some innocuous, etc.

Also, I'm not sure how you get population control and pharmaceuticals in the same sentence.

[Gunny]

He can have lots of wants and goals but what is the evidence? Where is this global control? "Globalists" is very nebulous, it can be anything anyone wants it to be but as of yet it seems that there are no globalists in control. Sometimes bad border policy is bad border policy.

True. Except you can't stop there.

Where does the bad border policy lead? What is its goal? What is the goal of breaking down law and order? The goal of making us economically unstable?

Could lead to whatever "globalization" and its many definitions is. My money's on attempted cultural revolution HERE. If using the globalization as a weapon to that end, then I see it as bad for the US.

But let's get some clarity/real here: when you use the term "globalization" on this board, it triggers those that think their is some global conspiracy toward one World order. I will point out that one of Biden's WH spokesmen did use the term "liberal World order"; which, I consider leads only to fascism in the US.

I would offer that if we focus on HERE, and worry about HERE, and fix things HERE, the US is in a much better position to tell any "World Order" to FOAD.