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    Link

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10810638/

    though it may be taken down "for your safety"
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    many died or got sick right after the shot and within the 2 week window.


    not a new study but...

    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...19_vaccination


    https://slaynews.com/news/vaxxed-dea...official-data/
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    Mainstream media dipping it's toe in the water.
    UK Telegraph
    Covid vaccines may have helped fuel rise in excess deaths
    Experts call for more research into side effects and possible links to mortality rates

    (not sure how they are going edit this over time)
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...excess-deaths/
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/covid-vac...051100916.html


    peer reviewed study
    Study: High excess death rates in the West for 3 years running since start of pandemic despite containment and vaccines
    https://medicalxpress.com/news/2024-...est-years.html

    https://bmjpublichealth.bmj.com/content/2/1/e000282



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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Mainstream media dipping it's toe in the water.
    UK Telegraph
    Covid vaccines may have helped fuel rise in excess deaths
    Experts call for more research into side effects and possible links to mortality rates

    (not sure how they are going edit this over time)
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...excess-deaths/
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/covid-vac...051100916.html


    peer reviewed study
    Study: High excess death rates in the West for 3 years running since start of pandemic despite containment and vaccines
    https://medicalxpress.com/news/2024-...est-years.html

    https://bmjpublichealth.bmj.com/content/2/1/e000282



    Rev ... you know that because the headline says "may be" that fj will totally discount this info. Some silly dismissive quip like "that doesn't say what you think it does". Or ... "The Telegraph"? Who believes that rag?

    Why people want to continue denying the reality that the covid vaccine is more dangerous than helpful still baffles me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    Rev ... you know that because the headline says "may be" that fj will totally discount this info. Some silly dismissive quip like "that doesn't say what you think it does". Or ... "The Telegraph"? Who believes that rag?

    Why people want to continue denying the reality that the covid vaccine is more dangerous than helpful still baffles me.
    I see that you've completely missed the point of my posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
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    Rev ...
    Read the last 3 paragraphs and tell what you see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Read the last 3 paragraphs and tell what you see.
    Happens in way too many articles on all sides. The truth lies in the last 3 paragraphs.

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    Yeah, there's always some type of disclaimer.
    If the freedom of speech is taken away
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Read the last 3 paragraphs and tell what you see.
    Read the text of my post and what do you see?
    Anything that contradicts the "3 paragraphs"? Are you reading INTO my post?


    As I said. the MSM DIPING their TOES into the waters.


    I already have enough evidence from elsewhere. this article is for folks like yourself, (but not you) who seem to want to dismiss the concept of EXCESS DEATHS, And EXCESS DEATHS via "Vaccines" out of hand.
    Because "SOURCE!" or "Studies don't show anything!"


    Concerning the 3 paragraphs, that's a dr that commented. I'm sure there are a LOT of dr's that will say the same after seeing the study. especially those that gave or encouraged people to take the "Vaccines".

    But are you saying that you take the comments of cancer Dr's seriously now? I posted prestigious cancer dr that said pretty much outright that the vaccines were the cause of the new cancer increases he's seen.

    I'll post it again for you.
    So you can read it and tell me what you see.

    A newly published Japanese study confirms UK Professor of Oncology at St George's Hospital Medical School, London Angus Dalgleish’s concerns about mRNA injections causing cancer:

    "A paper was published out of Japan and it was the Japan's Office of National Statistics, which don't hide, meddle, fiddle...But it shows absolutely clearly that the cancer incidence has gone up in Japan just due to the vaccine program. They've correlated it absolutely beautifully. I'm alarmed by it because they've done it on deaths...but they've picked it up within 2 years. It's highly significant increase of the cancers and everybody else is starting to see this now...And I was just delighted that so many people from around the world all over the world have published data showing how boosters in particular can suppress your immune response and actually drive cancers that you have but didn't know you had, as it were."


    Angus Dalgleish's comments from 2023 I believe.
    "At the end of last year I reported that I was seeing melanoma patients who had been stable for years relapse after their first booster (their third injection). I was told it was merely a coincidence and to keep quiet about it, but it became impossible to do so. The number of my patients affected has been rising ever since. I saw two more cases of cancer relapse post booster vaccination in my patients just this last week.

    Other oncologists have contacted me from all over the world including from Australia and the US. The consensus is that it is no longer confined to melanoma but that increased incidence of lymphomas, leukaemias and kidney cancers is being seen after booster injections. Additionally my colorectal cancer colleagues report an epidemic of explosive cancers (those presenting with multiple metastatic spread in the liver and elsewhere). All these cancers are occurring (with very few exceptions) in patients who have been forced to have a Covid booster whether they were keen or not, for many so they could travel.

    So why are these cancers occurring?
    T cell suppression was my first likely explanation given that immunotherapy is so effective in these cancers. However we must also now consider DNA plasmid and SV40 integration in promoting cancer development, a feature made even more concerning by reports that mRNA spike protein binds p53 and other cancer suppressor genes. It is very clear and very frightening that these vaccines have several elements to cause a perfect storm in cancer development in those patients lucky enough to have avoided heart attacks, clots, strokes, autoimmune diseases and other common adverse reactions to the Covid vaccines.

    To advise booster vaccines, as is the current case, is no more and no less than medical incompetence; to continue to do so with the above information is medical negligence which can carry a custodial sentence.
    No ifs or buts any longer. All mRNA vaccines must be halted and banned now."

    Angus Dalgleish
    FRCP FRCPath FMedSci is a professor of oncology at St George's, University of London,
    best known for his contributions to HIV/AIDS research.
    Last edited by revelarts; 06-05-2024 at 05:42 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    Happens in way too many articles on all sides. The truth lies in the last 3 paragraphs.
    They didn't hide the truth in the headline. "... may be..."

    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    Yeah, there's always some type of disclaimer.
    It's not really a disclaimer, it's an acknowledgement of the limitations of the statistical analysis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Read the text of my post and what do you see?
    Anything that contradicts the "3 paragraphs"? Are you reading INTO my post?


    As I said. the MSM DIPING their TOES into the waters.


    I already have enough evidence from elsewhere. this article is for folks like yourself, (but not you) who seem to want to dismiss the concept of EXCESS DEATHS, And EXCESS DEATHS via "Vaccines" out of hand.
    Because "SOURCE!" or "Studies don't show anything!"


    Concerning the 3 paragraphs, that's a dr that commented. I'm sure there are a LOT of dr's that will say the same after seeing the study. especially those that gave or encouraged people to take the "Vaccines".

    But are you saying that you take the comments of cancer Dr's seriously now? I posted prestigious cancer dr that said pretty much outright that the vaccines were the cause of the new cancer increases he's seen.

    I'll post it again for you.
    So you can read it and tell me what you see.
    A newly published Japanese study confirms UK Professor of Oncology at St George's Hospital Medical School, London Angus Dalgleish’s concerns about mRNA injections causing cancer:

    "A paper was published out of Japan and it was the Japan's Office of National Statistics, which don't hide, meddle, fiddle...But it shows absolutely clearly that the cancer incidence has gone up in Japan just due to the vaccine program. They've correlated it absolutely beautifully. I'm alarmed by it because they've done it on deaths...but they've picked it up within 2 years. It's highly significant increase of the cancers and everybody else is starting to see this now...And I was just delighted that so many people from around the world all over the world have published data showing how boosters in particular can suppress your immune response and actually drive cancers that you have but didn't know you had, as it were."

    Angus Dalgleish's comments from 2023 I believe.
    "At the end of last year I reported that I was seeing melanoma patients who had been stable for years relapse after their first booster (their third injection). I was told it was merely a coincidence and to keep quiet about it, but it became impossible to do so. The number of my patients affected has been rising ever since. I saw two more cases of cancer relapse post booster vaccination in my patients just this last week.

    Other oncologists have contacted me from all over the world including from Australia and the US. The consensus is that it is no longer confined to melanoma but that increased incidence of lymphomas, leukaemias and kidney cancers is being seen after booster injections. Additionally my colorectal cancer colleagues report an epidemic of explosive cancers (those presenting with multiple metastatic spread in the liver and elsewhere). All these cancers are occurring (with very few exceptions) in patients who have been forced to have a Covid booster whether they were keen or not, for many so they could travel.

    So why are these cancers occurring?
    T cell suppression was my first likely explanation given that immunotherapy is so effective in these cancers. However we must also now consider DNA plasmid and SV40 integration in promoting cancer development, a feature made even more concerning by reports that mRNA spike protein binds p53 and other cancer suppressor genes. It is very clear and very frightening that these vaccines have several elements to cause a perfect storm in cancer development in those patients lucky enough to have avoided heart attacks, clots, strokes, autoimmune diseases and other common adverse reactions to the Covid vaccines.

    To advise booster vaccines, as is the current case, is no more and no less than medical incompetence; to continue to do so with the above information is medical negligence which can carry a custodial sentence.
    No ifs or buts any longer. All mRNA vaccines must be halted and banned now."

    Angus Dalgleish
    FRCP FRCPath FMedSci is a professor of oncology at St George's, University of London,
    best known for his contributions to HIV/AIDS research.
    What have I dismissed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    What have I dismissed?
    From the start of this thread you've posted every other possible option to vaccines as being the more likely cause

    The most recent is "read last 3 paragraphs".
    But, OK, maybe "dismiss" is too much... deny, deflect, avoid,
    Maybe just failing to acknowledge the likelihood.
    Denying that studies are studies if they point towards what professor Angus Dalgleish has concluded.
    "...it shows absolutely clearly that the cancer incidence has gone up in Japan just due to the vaccine program. They've correlated it absolutely beautifully. I'm alarmed by it because they've done it on deaths...but they've picked it up within 2 years. It's highly significant increase of the cancers and everybody else is starting to see this now...And I was just delighted that so many people from around the world all over the world have published data showing how boosters in particular can suppress your immune response and actually drive cancers that you have but didn't know you had..."
    Can you show me where you've acknowledge these type of conclusions on this issue as valid.
    Or haven't push the option off into the future of "further study"?
    Or haven't proposed other reasons as MORE/MOST likely?
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    From the start of this thread you've posted every other possible option to vaccines as being the more likely cause

    The most recent is "read last 3 paragraphs".
    But, OK, maybe "dismiss" is too much... deny, deflect, avoid,
    Maybe just failing to acknowledge the likelihood.
    Denying that studies are studies if they point towards what professor Angus Dalgleish has concluded.
    "...it shows absolutely clearly that the cancer incidence has gone up in Japan just due to the vaccine program. They've correlated it absolutely beautifully. I'm alarmed by it because they've done it on deaths...but they've picked it up within 2 years. It's highly significant increase of the cancers and everybody else is starting to see this now...And I was just delighted that so many people from around the world all over the world have published data showing how boosters in particular can suppress your immune response and actually drive cancers that you have but didn't know you had..."
    Can you show me where you've acknowledge these type of conclusions on this issue as valid.
    Or haven't push the option off into the future of "further study"?
    Or haven't proposed other reasons as MORE/MOST likely?
    No I haven't. I've acknowledged, exactly as the "studies" have acknowledged, that there are other possible factors, including vaccines, as causing cancer incidences to go up. Dalgleish is wrong that he correlates it specifically to the vaccine program. Whatever you want to call these particular "studies" or "statistical analyses" they only acknowledge that cancer incidences have gone up and can only speculate as to the cause.

    IIRC you previously posted favorably about Dr. Bhattacharya et al and the Great Barrington Declaration which speculated that lockdown policies would lead to what we're seeing today. Specifically mentioning fewer cancer screenings. If you haven't commented on the GBD then I'd like your thoughts on it.

    Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice.
    To specifically tie increases in cancer incidence to the vaccine rollout ignores countless other factors which had at least as direct an influence on health outcomes as the potential influence that vaccines have. It would be incredibly convenient to tie vaccines to cancer incidence when covid had at least a one-year head start on impacting future health outcomes without even taking into account the disastrous government mandates that also had a huge impact.

    You appear to be so desperate to grab onto yet another notch against vaccines that you will accept any evidence against the vaccines as gospel even so far as to jump to conclusions that are as of yet not proven. You're no better than the other side in jumping on bad science to counter what you perceive to be as bad science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    No I haven't. I've acknowledged, exactly as the "studies" have acknowledged, that there are other possible factors, including vaccines, as causing cancer incidences to go up. Dalgleish is wrong that he correlates it specifically to the vaccine program. Whatever you want to call these particular "studies" or "statistical analyses" they only acknowledge that cancer incidences have gone up and can only speculate as to the cause.

    IIRC you previously posted favorably about Dr. Bhattacharya et al and the
    Great Barrington Declaration which speculated that lockdown policies would lead to what we're seeing today. Specifically mentioning fewer cancer screenings. If you haven't commented on the GBD then I'd like your thoughts on it.



    To specifically tie increases in cancer incidence to the vaccine rollout ignores countless other factors which had at least as direct an influence on health outcomes as the potential influence that vaccines have. It would be incredibly convenient to tie vaccines to cancer incidence when covid had at least a one-year head start on impacting future health outcomes without even taking into account the disastrous government mandates that also had a huge impact.

    You appear to be so desperate to grab onto yet another notch against vaccines that you will accept any evidence against the vaccines as gospel even so far as to jump to conclusions that are as of yet not proven. You're no better than the other side in jumping on bad science to counter what you perceive to be as bad science.
    How do you know he's wrong FJ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    How do you know he's wrong FJ?
    If you read the rest of my post, and understood it, you'd have your answer.
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