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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    Rev .. don't think anyone here goes to Rumble.
    All us old people should to try new things from time to time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    All us old people should to try new things from time to time.
    I practically live on Rumble since Google and YouTube starting censoring everything
    If the freedom of speech is taken away
    then dumb and silent we may be led,
    like sheep to the slaughter.


    George Washington (1732-1799) First President of the USA.

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    Shouldn't the standard be things that are factual?
    "when socialism fails, blame capitalism and demand more socialism." - A friend
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Shouldn't the standard be things that are factual?
    Should be.
    Sad thing is, some people aren't willing to look at or accept any facts that don't align with what they've believed for years about some subjects.

    And some folks can't make any conclusions based on facts.
    "evidence doesn't say anything now other than correlation and correlating to multiple possibilities, some stated and some not."
    I mean, that will alway be the case, on any subject.
    So there's no need to change any opinion about anything.

    FACTS will always make "correlations to multiple possibilities"

    Is Joe Biden less competent and capable now than he was 20 years ago?
    Well the evidence doesn't say anything now other than correlation and correlating to multiple possibilities.

    But people who are being honest will say that the some evidence on hand CLEARLY points to the fact that some possibilities are so likely as to be reasonably accepted as fact.
    Rather than pretend the jury is still out.
    In case of testing pharmaceuticals the burden on proof is the pharmaceuticals to prove they are SAFE & EFFECTIVE. ANY negative affects noted during it's use is rightfully assumed to be caused by the NEW drug until proven otherwise.
    At least that used to be the standard.

    But hey multiple possibilities.. could be climate change, or too much sleep, or too much exercise, or eggs, or cough Syrup .."scientist say".
    but evidence can't say anything or point to anything.
    Last edited by revelarts; 04-21-2024 at 05:54 PM.
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    BTW

    Local child diagnosed with mumps

    But amazingly the child was in fact vaccinated.
    the best version of "the facts" is that the mumps portion of the MMR vaccines are 88+percent effective. great!
    (but even that's questionable)
    If 10% of 10,000 vaccinated people get the mumps that's 1000 people.
    If 1000 people in any city got the mumps , how many people would assume that ALL had been vaccinated?
    How many would just Blame "antivaxxers" anyway? Without any evidence of that.
    Next time we hear of an "outbreak", maybe the assumption should be that the vaccine haven't worked? Is that to crazy to imagine?
    Instead of blaming antivaxxers? Since we're just guessing anyway.



    In the link below we listen to a PRO-Vaccine Nurse go though all the steps she's "supposed to" when 1 of her 4 vaccinated children gets the mumps.
    -Practicing Nurse surprised to find that her child got the mumps, Then had her family checked to see if they needed boosters for any of their vaccines. Everyone in house ends up with boosters . She then re-discovers various info such as the vaccines are only supoosed to be effective to various degrees 80-96% depending on the disease. But was shocked to find that everyone in her house got the mumps but 1. Even after proper isolation. Including her, even though she had tested as immune to mumps.
    Her family somehow was only protected by lest than 25%, nearly whole family got mumps.
    Was also shocked at how many assumed that she and her family had not been vaccinated and the negative wave sent their way.
    And how many were blaming "anti-vaxxers" for the outbreak.
    https://rumble.com/v4r0igq-practicin...mumps-and.html

    But hey Maybe the fact that her whole family got the mumps isn't evidence of anything concerning the effectiveness of vaccines.
    If the vaccine works on ONE person that's 100% evidence that they work. and no one should question them.
    If they don't work for a few folks, well then that's NOT evidence of anything... evidence doesn't say anything now other than correlation and correlating to multiple possibilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    And some folks can't make any conclusions based on facts.
    "evidence doesn't say anything now other than correlation and correlating to multiple possibilities, some stated and some not."
    I mean, that will alway be the case, on any subject.
    So there's no need to change any opinion about anything.
    Taking things out of context and being an a$$ doesn't help your case.

    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Should be.
    Sad thing is, some people aren't willing to look at or accept any facts that don't align with what they've believed for years about some subjects.
    It's called confirmation bias. We all suffer from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Taking things out of context and being an a$$ doesn't help your case.
    the point is, based on what you said, the context does NOT matter.
    "evidence doesn't say anything now other than correlation and correlating to multiple possibilities, some stated and some not."

    There's NO amount of evidence on any subject that can overcome that kind of objection.
    By defaults it puts any real conclusion in the unknown future.
    And simply dismisses all evidence and asserts all the current facts at hand don't even vaguely point to ANY single possibility known or unknown.

    Maybe i could have pointed that out more nicely.
    But it doesn't change the fact of what your words mean.

    If you don't want to accept any evidence or thier obvious conclusions "now" fine.
    But there's no need to be upset when i just point out what you said.


    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    It's called confirmation bias. We all suffer from it.
    Yes, sadly we all do. I know i'm guilty.
    and we all should try to recognize it and deal with it.
    I don't like doing it myself. but I do want to be honest about what's going on in the world and not just hold to my opinions because they are my opinions.
    Last edited by revelarts; 04-23-2024 at 01:01 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    the point is, based on what you said, the context does NOT matter.
    "evidence doesn't say anything now other than correlation and correlating to multiple possibilities, some stated and some not."

    There's NO amount of evidence on any subject that can overcome that kind of objection.
    By defaults it puts any real conclusion in the unknown future.
    And simply dismisses all evidence and asserts all the current facts at hand don't even vaguely point to ANY single possibility known or unknown.

    Maybe i could have pointed that out more nicely.
    But it doesn't change the fact of what your words mean.

    If you don't want to accept any evidence or thier obvious conclusions "now" fine.
    But there's no need to be upset when i just point out what you said.
    You clearly don't understand what I said so please don't try to tell me what I said. The link you posted essentially said nothing so therefore nothing can be derived from it. That is what you don't seem to understand. Since you like to passively aggressively troll my words from other threads then I'm sure you locate said thread where I'll be happy to correct your understanding rather than whatever you call this.

    And to the bold? Patently false.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    You clearly don't understand what I said so please don't try to tell me what I said. The link you posted essentially said nothing so therefore nothing can be derived from it. That is what you don't seem to understand. Since you like to passively aggressively troll my words from other threads then I'm sure you locate said thread where I'll be happy to correct your understanding rather than whatever you call this.

    And to the bold? Patently false.
    Previously in this thread...
    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    I have no problem updating results if more evidence changes the current picture.
    Will you accept the evidence as it appears TODAY?

    ...These particularly marked increases in mortality rates of these ERα-sensitive cancers may be attributable to several mechanisms of the mRNA-LNP vaccination rather than COVID-19 infection itself or reduced cancer care due to the lockdown...
    The evidence doesn't say anything now other than correlation and correlating to multiple possibilities, some stated and some not. I'm expecting that if the evidence changes the picture then it won't be making the internet rounds.

    However what the link in the evidence says is"
    "...These particularly marked increases in mortality rates of these ERα-sensitive cancers may be attributable to several mechanisms of the mRNA-LNP vaccination rather than COVID-19 infection itself or reduced cancer care due to the lockdown...

    https://www.cureus.com/articles/1962...ic-in-japan#!/


    So maybe you can see why your comment "evidence doesn't say ANYTHING"... correlation blah blah Multiple possibilities unstated ...blah. threw me off.
    Sorry man but this reply is just not credible. and it's not a problem with my reading comprehension.
    If you meant to say something different you should have used different language.
    But the language you used is just professional backhanded dismissal of the facts. not an honest rebuttal or a true assessment of what's been presented.

    ... the beginning of the link outlines the question:

    "During the COVID-19 pandemic, excess deaths including cancer have become a concern in Japan, which has a rapidly aging population. Thus, this study aimed to evaluate how age-adjusted mortality rates (AMRs) for different types of cancer in Japan changed during the COVID-19 pandemic (2020-2022). Official statistics from Japan were used to compare observed annual and monthly AMRs with predicted rates based on pre-pandemic (2010-2019) figures using logistic regression analysis. No significant excess mortality was observed during the first year of the pandemic (2020). However, some excess cancer mortalities were observed in 2021 after mass vaccination with the first and second vaccine doses, and significant excess mortalities were observed for all cancers and some specific types of cancer (including ovarian cancer, leukemia, prostate cancer, lip/oral/pharyngeal cancer, pancreatic cancer, and breast cancer) after mass vaccination with the third dose in 2022. AMRs for the four cancers with the most deaths (lung, colorectal, stomach, and liver) showed a decreasing trend until the first year of the pandemic in 2020, but the rate of decrease slowed in 2021 and 2022. This study discusses possible explanations for these increases in age-adjusted cancer mortality rates."

    the part I quoted is from the conclusion
    ...These particularly marked increases in mortality rates of these ERα-sensitive cancers may be attributable to several mechanisms of the mRNA-LNP vaccination rather than COVID-19 infection itself or reduced cancer care due to the lockdown...

    So TODAY, they've practically ruled out lack of Cancer Care, and the covid virus itself.
    the only 2 major factors in Japan (an Elsewhere) that were significantly different in people's lives. to cause the EXCESS cancer deaths reported.
    As i said before if you want to keep the jury out, that's fine, but AT THIS POINT the evidence points to the vaccines.
    Even if you'd rather not go there.
    the studies rules Out Cancer Care, and the covid virus itself But if you want to say it could be multiple possibilities, some stated and some not.
    Fine. but please don't try to gaslight me saying that's what the study/evidence points to.
    Yes, the study leaves the door open, as science should, but AT THIS POINT the BEST and most likely suspects are the vaccines.
    If you want to wait 8-10 years for more studies. fine. that's what i wanted to do as well. While not assuming they are safe & effective until then.
    But right NOW, they look like crap already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Previously in this thread...



    However what the link in the evidence says is"
    "...These particularly marked increases in mortality rates of these ERα-sensitive cancers may be attributable to several mechanisms of the mRNA-LNP vaccination rather than COVID-19 infection itself or reduced cancer care due to the lockdown...

    https://www.cureus.com/articles/1962...ic-in-japan#!/


    So maybe you can see why your comment "evidence doesn't say ANYTHING"... correlation blah blah Multiple possibilities unstated ...blah. threw me off.
    Sorry man but this reply is just not credible. and it's not a problem with my reading comprehension.
    If you meant to say something different you should have used different language.
    But the language you used is just professional backhanded dismissal of the facts. not an honest rebuttal or a true assessment of what's been presented.

    ... the beginning of the link outlines the question:

    "During the COVID-19 pandemic, excess deaths including cancer have become a concern in Japan, which has a rapidly aging population. Thus, this study aimed to evaluate how age-adjusted mortality rates (AMRs) for different types of cancer in Japan changed during the COVID-19 pandemic (2020-2022). Official statistics from Japan were used to compare observed annual and monthly AMRs with predicted rates based on pre-pandemic (2010-2019) figures using logistic regression analysis. No significant excess mortality was observed during the first year of the pandemic (2020). However, some excess cancer mortalities were observed in 2021 after mass vaccination with the first and second vaccine doses, and significant excess mortalities were observed for all cancers and some specific types of cancer (including ovarian cancer, leukemia, prostate cancer, lip/oral/pharyngeal cancer, pancreatic cancer, and breast cancer) after mass vaccination with the third dose in 2022. AMRs for the four cancers with the most deaths (lung, colorectal, stomach, and liver) showed a decreasing trend until the first year of the pandemic in 2020, but the rate of decrease slowed in 2021 and 2022. This study discusses possible explanations for these increases in age-adjusted cancer mortality rates."

    the part I quoted is from the conclusion
    ...These particularly marked increases in mortality rates of these ERα-sensitive cancers may be attributable to several mechanisms of the mRNA-LNP vaccination rather than COVID-19 infection itself or reduced cancer care due to the lockdown...

    So TODAY, they've practically ruled out lack of Cancer Care, and the covid virus itself.
    the only 2 major factors in Japan (an Elsewhere) that were significantly different in people's lives. to cause the EXCESS cancer deaths reported.
    As i said before if you want to keep the jury out, that's fine, but AT THIS POINT the evidence points to the vaccines.
    Even if you'd rather not go there.
    the studies rules Out Cancer Care, and the covid virus itself But if you want to say it could be multiple possibilities, some stated and some not.
    Fine. but please don't try to gaslight me saying that's what the study/evidence points to.
    Yes, the study leaves the door open, as science should, but AT THIS POINT the BEST and most likely suspects are the vaccines.
    If you want to wait 8-10 years for more studies. fine. that's what i wanted to do as well. While not assuming they are safe & effective until then.
    But right NOW, they look like crap already.
    Per usual you emphasize the wrong thing. It might be attributable to that and it also might not be. Nothing I said was incorrect no matter how much you misread it and misinterpret it. It's not worth going more into depth because it would just be what-ifs and you are looking for one thing to the exclusion of anything else.
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    A newly published Japanese study confirms UK Professor of Oncology at St George's Hospital Medical School, London Angus Dalgleish’s concerns about mRNA injections causing cancer:

    "A paper was published out of Japan and it was the Japan's Office of National Statistics, which don't hide, meddle, fiddle...But it shows absolutely clearly that the cancer incidence has gone up in Japan just due to the vaccine program. They've correlated it absolutely beautifully. I'm alarmed by it because they've done it on deaths...but they've picked it up within 2 years. It's highly significant increase of the cancers and everybody else is starting to see this now...And I was just delighted that so many people from around the world all over the world have published data showing how boosters in particular can suppress your immune response and actually drive cancers that you have but didn't know you had, as it were."



    his comments from 2023 I believe.
    "At the end of last year I reported that I was seeing melanoma patients who had been stable for years relapse after their first booster (their third injection). I was told it was merely a coincidence and to keep quiet about it, but it became impossible to do so. The number of my patients affected has been rising ever since. I saw two more cases of cancer relapse post booster vaccination in my patients just this last week.

    Other oncologists have contacted me from all over the world including from Australia and the US. The consensus is that it is no longer confined to melanoma but that increased incidence of lymphomas, leukaemias and kidney cancers is being seen after booster injections. Additionally my colorectal cancer colleagues report an epidemic of explosive cancers (those presenting with multiple metastatic spread in the liver and elsewhere). All these cancers are occurring (with very few exceptions) in patients who have been forced to have a Covid booster whether they were keen or not, for many so they could travel.

    So why are these cancers occurring?
    T cell suppression was my first likely explanation given that immunotherapy is so effective in these cancers. However we must also now consider DNA plasmid and SV40 integration in promoting cancer development, a feature made even more concerning by reports that mRNA spike protein binds p53 and other cancer suppressor genes. It is very clear and very frightening that these vaccines have several elements to cause a perfect storm in cancer development in those patients lucky enough to have avoided heart attacks, clots, strokes, autoimmune diseases and other common adverse reactions to the Covid vaccines.

    To advise booster vaccines, as is the current case, is no more and no less than medical incompetence; to continue to do so with the above information is medical negligence which can carry a custodial sentence.
    No ifs or buts any longer. All mRNA vaccines must be halted and banned now."

    Angus Dalgleish
    FRCP FRCPath FMedSci is a professor of oncology at St George's, University of London,
    best known for his contributions to HIV/AIDS research.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    ... study confirms... correlated it absolutely beautifully...
    The former does not equal the latter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    The former does not equal the latter.
    Doesn't negate it either.
    If the freedom of speech is taken away
    then dumb and silent we may be led,
    like sheep to the slaughter.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    Doesn't negate it either.
    Actually the definitions of words do negate it as presented.

    "... the cancer incidence has gone up in Japan just due to the vaccine program. They've correlated it absolutely beautifully. "

    Correlation is not causation. I thought you gave some credence to the Great Barrington Declaration. If I'm not mistaken it drew a line between not going to regular doctor appointments with increases in other diseases/cancer?.
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