"The government is a child that has found their parents credit card, and spends knowing that they never have to reconcile the bill with their own money"-Shannon Churchill
I didn't get that from reading the Declaration. It basically said lockdowns are harmful because it reduces herd immunity.
I believe that the vaccine has caused AIDS to escalate and more cytokine storm events which allows cancer to proliferate.
Healthy people dying suddenly is starting to be linked to the overactive immune system that the mRna shots are causing.
But you belive what you want.
If the freedom of speech is taken away
then dumb and silent we may be led,
like sheep to the slaughter.
George Washington (1732-1799) First President of the USA.
If the freedom of speech is taken away
then dumb and silent we may be led,
like sheep to the slaughter.
George Washington (1732-1799) First President of the USA.
Posting info is not hassling ... it's informing. People here post info quite a bit that I find redundant but I don't denigrate them for it. Maybe someday something they post will click and open a little crack of understanding. I don't tell them to move on just because I don't agree with the info.
If the freedom of speech is taken away
then dumb and silent we may be led,
like sheep to the slaughter.
George Washington (1732-1799) First President of the USA.
If the freedom of speech is taken away
then dumb and silent we may be led,
like sheep to the slaughter.
George Washington (1732-1799) First President of the USA.
If the freedom of speech is taken away
then dumb and silent we may be led,
like sheep to the slaughter.
George Washington (1732-1799) First President of the USA.
The part related to this particular discussion is...
I believe things that are shown. And no far in this thread it has not been shown in Japan.Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice.
No.
Facts are facts. Government choosing their facts is no better than others choosing their facts.
"when socialism fails, blame capitalism and demand more socialism." - A friend
"You know the difference between libs and right-wingers? Libs STFU when evidence refutes their false beliefs." - Another friend
“Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear.” - Paulo Coelho
If the freedom of speech is taken away
then dumb and silent we may be led,
like sheep to the slaughter.
George Washington (1732-1799) First President of the USA.
So your answer to the questions is, yes.
& Gunny you seem to have said that you've already decided to get the next vaccine the govt spits out and not worry about any consequences for yourself or anyone else.
ok, no worries, all the best to you. I hope that works out.
But, if you Kath & FJ don't mind i'll keep talking about it.
I'm not forcing anyone to read my post, much less respond. enjoy your medications.
move on.
thing is Kath, it's not personal.
I only replied to your personal situation when you bring it up.
The study from the Japan doesn't address you or gunny's personal thoughts or actions. neither does the UK oncologist's.
They are pointing out facts for everyone today, based on actions taken BY THE GOVT & BIG PHARMA in 2019-2020... no matter what your personal POV was in 2020.
You did not censor or close schools or biz or fire people or coerce others to take experimental drugs.
But I do think it's wise to LEARN from the govts pass mistakes. rather than giving them a pass. Personal correction and insight is great but letting the govt know that this kind of action will not be toltarated in the future for you kids and grandkids might be something others want to point out from time to time.
Rather than just walking away from the biggest govt & medical disruption of American life in the past 100 years as if it was a little hickup.
that doesn't even really need an official post mortem, beyond a few whispered apologies and "oops" from a handful of public figures.
Takes 2 Kath.
I know some folks who cannot bring themselves to even consider seriously the idea that vaccines might not be as safe & effective as advertised. that they all are generally VITAL and good.
It's beyond proof in their minds. It's a fact like the sun rising.
But still, FJ already said that the Japanese study says "maybe" there's a problem, however seems clear he's not really taking the evidence at this point seriously in that he tried to find ever viable reason why the study may be flawed. He suggested covid itself as the cause & lack of cancer care as the cause. Then after exhausting those he grabbed on to "maybe" and is content to live in the possibility that something else IS the cause... anything but the vaccine?
And asserts I and oncologist are somehow recklessly jumping the gun.
But the question that started this line of conversation was,
"WITH THE EVIDENCE ON HAND TODAY", what does he think is the cause?
1st He basically denied there's ANY evidence, "just" some "correlation", then he fell back to "maybe" in the study but still holds to ignorance and won't point to any possible or likely cause..
Seems there's might be some bias there Kath. Am I way out in left field here?
No one says that more study shouldn't be done. I think FAR more needs to be done. I suspect many people don't want to "waste the time" because they already know that the vaccines are good and "anti-vaxxers!" might get traction. Plus no one they know had a problem.
Rather than being more concerned about people getting cancer.
Look, There's no doubt I have bias, many. I'm well aware of it. And I literally have to check myself.
Some of us can admit our own. And frankly I appreciate HONEST, factual push back, since I don't like being wrong.
But sometimes it seems others act as if they have no biases. I'm not sure if they are trying to gaslight others or themselves.
I make a note to you today, that if I see evidence that there SOMETHING ELSE that's the MORE likely the cause of the known uptick in cancers in Japan & elsewhere I'll post it here.
In fact here's a straw for FJ to grasps.
it's now known that LACK of sunlight allows more disease of all kinds diseases, including cancers, to proliferate. the lockdown forced people in inside world wide.
So "MAYBE" that's a factor. It should be studied. But right now there's NO evidence of ANYTHING, since correlation is not causation
Last edited by revelarts; 05-05-2024 at 09:51 PM.
It is proper to take alarm at the first experiment on our liberties. The freeman of America did not wait till usurped power had strengthened itself by exercise, and entangled the question in precedents. James Madison
Live as free people, yet without employing your freedom as a pretext for wickedness; but live at all times as servants of God. 1 Peter 2:16
I am not of the mindset that every vax is something that everyone should get and even with Covid, I waited some time before getting; long enough that I didn't think my grandchildren or even children should get it, as they are all healthy and under 45. I chose for myself, with the limited info available, BECAUSE I had more than a few of the high risk factors. Not everyone who isn't anti-vax is an idiot.
I do think the freaking government and Pharmas have screwed things up for a long, long time. Feel free to keep making noise to have folks not vaccinate their kids from highly contagious and high risk childhood illnesses, might actually work out in a Darwinian way.
"The government is a child that has found their parents credit card, and spends knowing that they never have to reconcile the bill with their own money"-Shannon Churchill
Last edited by revelarts; 05-05-2024 at 10:20 PM.
It is proper to take alarm at the first experiment on our liberties. The freeman of America did not wait till usurped power had strengthened itself by exercise, and entangled the question in precedents. James Madison
Live as free people, yet without employing your freedom as a pretext for wickedness; but live at all times as servants of God. 1 Peter 2:16
For F*s sake. If you can't comprehend what I'm saying then don't try to sum up my words to someone else. I have merely quoted the exact words that they used indicating that they do not know the cause but will be investigated further. Reread that last sentence over and over until it clicks in your head.
"when socialism fails, blame capitalism and demand more socialism." - A friend
"You know the difference between libs and right-wingers? Libs STFU when evidence refutes their false beliefs." - Another friend
“Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear.” - Paulo Coelho
"when socialism fails, blame capitalism and demand more socialism." - A friend
"You know the difference between libs and right-wingers? Libs STFU when evidence refutes their false beliefs." - Another friend
“Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear.” - Paulo Coelho
Revelarts: "He suggested covid itself as the cause & lack of cancer care as the cause."
Revelarts: "Then after exhausting those he grabbed on to "maybe" and is content to live in the possibility that something else IS the cause... anything but the vaccine?..."
Revelarts: "...but still holds to ignorance and won't point to any possible or likely cause.."
"...anything but the vaccine?" (please note the question mark)
So I guess for clarity I should add
Fj says he's not prepared to go into "what ifs" because of what I'M LOOKING FOR... supposedly "to the exclusion of anything else".
I'm looking for valid answers to why the uptick in cancers, heart problems, autoimmune problems, etc. & it appears to me AT THIS POINT that the vaccines are the most likely cause.
I think, at this point, that the govts & big pharma Pissed Poison on all of us and want us all to call it Rain. Helpful Harmless Rain.
The numbers from various studies and the experience of oncologist, doctors, nurses, researchers, insurance actuarial tables, and coroners point to poison piss vaxs as the most likely cause.
Others may feel the need to wait until MORE studies are done.
Fine, Let's all call for more studies.
Also maybe we can all honestly review the info that's already on the table too.
And not pretend that they say "NOTHING".
(which is my main beef with your replies and why i've wanted to let this go but have not.)
unless I've miss understood the meaning of the word "nothing".
Last edited by revelarts; 05-06-2024 at 09:34 AM.
It is proper to take alarm at the first experiment on our liberties. The freeman of America did not wait till usurped power had strengthened itself by exercise, and entangled the question in precedents. James Madison
Live as free people, yet without employing your freedom as a pretext for wickedness; but live at all times as servants of God. 1 Peter 2:16