North Korean weapons are killing Ukrainians. The implications are far bigger

[Gunny]

Dismiss, as Putin does borders.

I agree, at this point. But let's give Rev his due. The West DID promise NATO would not expand and broke those promises. I don't disagree (with a few exceptions) with allowing countries that fear Russia join NATO, but it was going back on our word.

On the other hand, Georgia and Chechnya were not threats to become NATO members and Putin marched right in to both. Russia still occupies about 20% of Georgia and has a puppet installed in Chechnya. It is not that the fears of these countries, especially the smaller ones are without merit.

[fj1200]

An expansionist NATO is just something that putin likes to say to cover whatever his true aims are. /opinion

It's not like NATO has conquered new territory lately.

[Gunny]

An expansionist NATO is just something that putin likes to say to cover whatever his true aims are. /opinion

It's not like NATO has conquered new territory lately.

I agree. Never meant to imply otherwise. Nor does it excuse Putin's behavior. Nobody in NATO was attacking Russia. Putin wants to control Ukraine and its resources, and doesn't care who he has to kill to do it.

Speaking of: Macron is on record stating France will not allow Ukraine to fall to Russia and would send in troops to stop it. How the worm has turned on who possesses the balls nowadays