Thanks for the neg reps dmp and pr. I distinctly noticed neither of you bothered to comment on board to the remark you so kindly disagreed with. You didn't comment to me either, but what a gas (fart) you are!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the neg reps dmp and pr. I distinctly noticed neither of you bothered to comment on board to the remark you so kindly disagreed with. You didn't comment to me either, but what a gas (fart) you are!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, you didn't really do much more than state your opinion and insult Palerider. Isn't it kind of hard for them to argue with a statement of opinion?
Anyways, what do you disagree with about Palerider's opening post? I agree that America is not a theocracy, but Christianity has deeply influenced American society and government, and most of Pale's post strikes me as accurate.
"Let me at least not die without a struggle, inglorious, but having done some big thing first, for men to come to know of." - Hector
Disagree. Stating that this Nation was founded by Christians; therefore, was founded as a Christian nation in NO WAY is advocating theocracy.
The vast majority of the FF's were Christians; yet, does the Constitution advocate theocracy? The opposite, in fact.
What is being addressed is the opposite extreme who absolutely refuse to admit the major role Christianity played in the creation of the US. It's like "if I pretend it isn't there, it doesn't count."
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke
I wonder why what the FF based it on, were motivated by, intended for the future of the country etc really matters at all. They are dead and the nation is for the living, its not their wishes, views or anything else that we should base our policies of today on.
We also founded this nation via genocide, should we preserve the idea of genocide being an acceptable thing to do to gain what we want?
We need to form policy, laws etc around what WORKS for the society living now and not worry that much over what long dead men intended.
A secular society that allows people to keep religion or lack of it their personal choice. We have various religions and not one should be favored over the other and they should all be free from intereferrence to practice their faith as long as they stay within the boundries of laws of the nation in which they reside.
An exclusionary society isnt going to work well and to favor one religion over another as a nation means we are exluding those who arent of that religion. Its the premise of many of our culturally held morals such as freedom of speech and not just for some, being against discrimination, civil rights etc. We have been making strides towards a more inclusive society so in todays world secular is the one that is inclusive.
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke
"I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is."
~Albert Camus
I really love all the terms that get created and then demonized, it all boils down to nothing more than a strawman argument built into a label.
We determine our own intent and context based on the realities of our lives, our needs and our desire to retain a society worth living in for our children and grandchildren.
No need for religion to be involved in the process, thats a personal belief you are free to apply in your personal life but has nothing to do with basing public laws or policy upon.
FOR MANU
Try googling the definition and criteria for genocide. It looks like this.
You seem to be confusing wars of conquest and colonization with genocide.
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/GENOCIDE.ENCY.HTMGenocide is foremost an international crime for which individuals, no matter how high in authority, may be indicted, tried, and punished by the International Criminal Court (ICC). According to Article 6 of the ICC Statute, This crime involves, "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."
There are a number of things to note about these acts.
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This is the LOLz.
When confronted with interpretations of our founding documents that are self-sufficient and free of external references or relationships, and assertions that adhere to fact or to the ordinary construction or primary meaning of terms or expressions in the founding documents of this nation, proponents of the "Christian Nation" assertion rely on relativist interpretations of terms like "Their Creator" and "The God of Nature," to have "absolutey" meant Jesus, and invoke the relativist concept of "context", to prove so, while accusing their opponents of "relativism."
"... whenever any number of men, calling themselves a government, do anything to another man, or to his property, which they had no right to do as individuals, they thereby declare themselves trespassers, robbers, or murderers, according to the nature of their acts." - Lysander Spooner
Can you show me one, just one, nation on this earth, that is still intact, that determined right from wrong completely on their own devoid of any religion?
Their isn't one. Man can not govern man by his own relativism. It doesn't work. Secularism is a wicked thing, and leads men down a road of self indulgence and corruption. Every secular nation there has ever been on earth, is no longer in existence.
Separation of Church and State. That is all you have to say.
You rail at the Muslims for having a state religion, yet you endorse one yourself.
Sounds like you and the Muslims have a lot in common. Perhaps you should pray toward Washington five times a day.