Actually is libs who pray to the government.Originally Posted by gabosaurus
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Actually is libs who pray to the government.
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The Liberal's Prayer....
Our Government, which art in Washington, hallowed be thy Name.
Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, in the red states as it is in the blue states.
Give us this day our daily bread and circuses. And forgive us our taxes, as we have found others to tax before us.
And lead us not into frustration, but deliver us from disappointment.
For thine is the kingdom, the power, and the glory, until the next time the Republicans capture both houses of Congress. Amen......
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"One nation under God..." It always begs the question of just which god.
Fascism has come to America, wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. His name is Trump.
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. - George Orwell...The New GOP motto.
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Mine. Who cares about yours?
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke
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Read the Declaration of Independence, then its list of signers, then works by them. The answer will then be obvious to you.
"We have no King but Jesus!"
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Maybe this document can shed light on whether or not the US is a nation based on god! Check out bold sections.
Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the United States and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary?
Authored by American diplomat Joel Barlow in 1796, the following treaty was sent to the floor
of the Senate, June 7, 1797, where it was read aloud in its entirety and unanimously approved.
John Adams, having seen the treaty, signed it and proudly proclaimed it to the Nation.
Annals of Congress, 5th Congress
Article 1. There is a firm and perpetual peace and friendship between the United States of
America and the Bey and subjects of Tripoli, of Barbary, made by the free consent of both
parties, and guarantied by the most potent Dey and Regency of Algiers.
Art. 2. If any goods belonging to any nation with which either of the parties is at war, shall be
loaded on board of vessels belonging to the other party, they shall pass free, and no attempt shall
be made to take or detain them.
Art. 3. If any citizens , subjects, or effects, belonging to either party, shall be found on board a
prize vessel taken from an enemy by the other party, such citizens or subjects shall be set at
liberty, and the effects restored to the owners.
Art. 4. Proper passports are to be given to all vessels of both parties, by which they are to be
known. And considering the distance between the two countries, eighteen months from the date
of this treaty, shall be allowed for procuring such passports. During this interval the other papers,
belonging to such vessels, shall be sufficient for their protection.
Art. 5. A citizen or subject of either party having bought a prize vessel, condemned by the
other party, or by any other nation, the certificates of condemnation and bill of sale shall be a
sufficient passport for such vessel for one year; this being a reasonable time for her to procure a
proper passport.
Art. 6. Vessels of either party, putting into the ports of the other, and having need of provisions
or other supplies, they shall be furnished at the market price. And if any such vessel shall so put
in, from a disaster at sea, and have occasion to repair, she shall be at liberty to land and
re-embark her cargo without paying any duties. But in case shall she be compelled to the land her
cargo.
Art. 7. Should a vessel of either party be cast on the shore of the other, all proper assistance
shall be given to her and her people; no pillage shall be allowed; the property shall remain at the
disposition of the owners; and the crew protectedand succored till they can be sent to their
country.
Art. 8. If a vessel of either party should be attacked by an enemy, within gun-shot of the forts
of the other , she shall be defended as much as possible. If she be in port she shall not be seized
on or attacked, when it is in the power of the other party to protect her. And when she proceeds to
sea, no enemy shall be allowed to pursue her from the same port, within twenty-four hours after
her departure.
Art. 9. The commerce between the United States and Tripoli; the protection to be given to
merchants, masters of vessels, and seamen; the reciprocal right of the establishing Consuls in
each country; and the privileges, immunities, and jurisdiction, to be on the same footing with
those of the most favored nations respectively.
Art. 10. The money and presents demanded by the Bey of Tripoli, as a full and satisfactory
consideration on his part, and on the part of his subjects, for this treaty of perpetual peace and
friendship, are acknowledged to have been received by him previous to his signing the same,
according to a receipt which is hereto annexed, except such as part as is promised, on the part of
the United States, to be delivered and paid by them on the arrival of their Consul in Tripoli; of
which part a note is likewise hereto annexed. And no pretense of any periodical tribute of further
payments is ever to be made by either party.
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on
the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or
tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility
against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious
opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.[/B]
Art. 12. In case of any dispute, arising from a violation of any of the articles of this treaty, no
appeal shall be made to arms; nor shall war be declared on any pretext whatever. But if the
Consul, residing at the place where the dispute shall happen, shall not be able to settle the same,
an amicable referrence shall be made to the mutual friend of the parties, the Dey of Algiers; the
parties hereby engaging to abide by his decision. And he, by virtue of his signature to this treaty,
engages for himself and successors to declare the justice of the case, according to the true
interpretation of the treaty, and to use all the means in his power to enforce the observance of the
same.
Signed and sealed at Tripoli of Barbary the 3d day of Junad in the year of the Hegira 1211—
corresponding with the 4th day of November, 1796, by
JUSSOF BASHAW MAHOMET, Bey.
MAMET, Treasurer.
AMET, Minister of Marine.
SOLIMAN KAYA.
GALIL, General of the Troops.
MAHOMET, Commander of the City.
AMET, Chamberlain.
ALLY, Chief of the Divan.
MAMET, Secretary.
Signed and sealed at Algiers, the 4th day of Argill, 1211—corresponding with the 3d day of
January, 1797, by
HASSAN BASHAW, Dey,
And by the agent Plenipotentiary of the United States of America,
JOEL BARLOW.
This being after the Constitution was ratified. Not during the Articles of Confederation.
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The GOVERNMENT wasn't founded on religion. Is your claim that our government is our country ?
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This again?
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke
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The Treaty of Tripoli was renegotiated in 1805 after the First Barbary War, at which time Article 11 was removed.
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Which changes nothing, since the issues involved in the 2nd Treaty were diferent than those of the first--it was a different treaty that in no way invlidated the first one.The Treaty of Tripoli was renegotiated in 1805 after the First Barbary War, at which time Article 11 was removed.
"... whenever any number of men, calling themselves a government, do anything to another man, or to his property, which they had no right to do as individuals, they thereby declare themselves trespassers, robbers, or murderers, according to the nature of their acts." - Lysander Spooner
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Why bump this three weeks later?
“… the greatest detractor from high performance is fear: fear that you are not prepared, fear that you are in over your head, fear that you are not worthy, and ultimately, fear of failure. If you can eliminate that fear—not through arrogance or just wishing difficulties away, but through hard work and preparation—you will put yourself in an incredibly powerful position to take on the challenges you face" - Pete Carroll.
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I suppose it's never too late to make things right.
"... whenever any number of men, calling themselves a government, do anything to another man, or to his property, which they had no right to do as individuals, they thereby declare themselves trespassers, robbers, or murderers, according to the nature of their acts." - Lysander Spooner
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Sounds about right! Except for the red states part. They should be banished for failure to comingle.
A chance for a new beginning, like a dawn of reconciliation.
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Only someone who will is unwilling to "comingle" would say something like that. Why don't you mingle with them?
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It is the representative of the people! The people may be religious or not. The principle is that the government was not founded on religion but on past documents of governance. If you should read the Federalist papers or Catos you can understand how carefully the Constitution was crafted. Many parts were a compromise of views between Madison, Jefferson, Franklin, and others.
A chance for a new beginning, like a dawn of reconciliation.
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