Want Socialized Medicine? Great. I'd Be Dead

[Nukeman]

We also have an under staffed, over utilized system. The difference is that we pay out the wazoo for ours.

What good is coverage when your insurance company refuses to pay-out on your claim???

What good is universal/socialized healthcare if you cant get in to see your doctor or get the services you need

Have you been to an urban emergency room lately

Yes as a matter of fact I have. In fact I have worked in them for years have you???

You have this cartoon image from the Cold War of people standing in line to get bread. Are you really naive or moronic enough to believe that citizens in the UK and France and Canada and every other western country stand in long lines at the hospital and get inadequate care? I swear to god it's frustrating "debating" with someone who has a child's view of the world. :bang3

Your soo cute with your ideas of how I THINK and VIEW the WORLD!!!
Its not a LITERAL LINE YOU MORON. They wait for weeks for services that we take for granted and recieve same day or next day.

Want to talk about how frustrating it is "debating" someone who is obviously mentaly challenged

[red states rule]

What good is universal/socialized healthcare if you cant get in to see your doctor or get the services you need




Yes as a matter of fact I have. In fact I have worked in them for years have you???




Your soo cute with your ideas of how I THINK and VIEW the WORLD!!!
Its not a LITERAL LINE YOU MORON. They wait for weeks for services that we take for granted and recieve same day or next day.

Want to talk about how frustrating it is "debating" someone who is obviously mentaly challenged

Libs think health care should be a free US Constitutional right. What the pea brains can't understand is - somebody has to pay for it

Libs don't care who pays - as long as it is not them

[Pale Rider]

everytime I hear about sociaized Medicine I think of my experience dealing with the VA Health Care system. It blows - no offense to the employees - it's just the Govt does a MUCH better job killing people and keeping them safe, than treating them.

I've had two major surgeries under government care. The first was in a field hospital to remove two pieces of an RPG out of my right lung. The second was at a V.A. hospital for a cervical discectomy. Both were top notch. I don't think I could have had any better care any where else.

The V.A. hospital here in Reno has gotten very high marks for being one of the best in the nation. I go there, and I feel I'm also in very good hands there as well. No complaints.

[avatar4321]

Libs think health care should be a free US Constitutional right. What the pea brains can't understand is - somebody has to pay for it

Libs don't care who pays - as long as it is not them

thats because they refuse to acknowledge that people have to work to provide them this care. They think people should work for free so they can be healthy.

Most people call forcing people to work for free by its proper name: Slavery.

[MtnBiker]

Health care is not a right. Why should taxpayers have to pay for it?

[diuretic]

Run over and check out little acorns thread about the Canadian quads born...not in Canada....but here in the US.

And be sure to note the reasons for that have nothing to do with the the health system in Alta. or Canada in general.

[diuretic]

Libs hate articles like these - it shows what governemnt run health care is all about

The point of articles like that is to tell the public that the system is under-funded. The NHS is an instititution in the UK, it could never be dismantled because the Brits wouldn't stand for a US-style health system.

I prefer our system where no-one decides to forego treatment because of a fear of bankruptcy and where our prescription medicines are subsidised so that we can all afford them. It's not a government-run system, it's much more complex than that and from time to time there are problems caused by underfunding which are then corrected, but in terms of delivering decent health care to its population, our system works well and any government that attempted to fiddle with it would be driven from office.

[diuretic]

Health care is not a right. Why should taxpayers have to pay for it?

It's seen as a right here and taxpayers are more than happy to pay for it for everyone.

Cultural differences no doubt.

[Said1]

I posted this in another thread...

The Canadian Health System has many flaws, one of which is the under staffing of physicians.

10% of ALL Canadians can not even get into see a General Practicioner due to no more time or space in their VERY busy schedules. (thts 3.3 million people almost half of the chronicly US citizens that are without insurance for more than 2 years)

The average wait time for Diagnostic services (lab, x-ray, cardiac sreening) is 3 weeks. Once you get into seeing your specialist tht you waited 4 weeks to get into see, of course than you have to wait an average of 4 weeks to get into the surgical center to have your non-emergent surgery.

For those of you keeping count that is 11 weeks to have your surgery.



This same situation in the US takes less than a week on most cases..


As for the Life expectancy, do you really mean to tell me that .3-2 years difference is really about the health care... Or is it more likely diet, lifestyle, or as in most European countries LESS WORK. The average US worker puts in substantialy more hours per year than their European counter part.

Let us not forget that when we look at life expectancies it only takes a couple of "gang bangers" to drasticly bring down the curve.. If you have one person live to be 100 and one dies in gang violence at the age of 16 their combined life expectancy is 58 now is that really a measure of our health system.....

The shortages are generally in rural areas and parts of the country experiencing population explosions due to economic growth. Facilities are not equipped to handle sudden increases in demande......Calgary is a good example.

Personally, I've never waited long for ANY service, including sergury. Nor do I know of anyone who has.

Quality of healthcare differs greatly per region, so I'm not denying there are long waits in certain regions, for certain things, because there is. I don't think this is a Canadian thing or something directly related to socialzed healthcare since healthcare professionals tend to stay where the money is and it doesn't tend to be in poor isolated areas.


One other thing I would like to point out. Prior to 2002 (as someone quoted), some areas in the US were facing shortages of healthcare workers, paying large amounts for our professionals to cross the boarder. Why would there be a shortage of healthcare professionals in a mostly private system? Would shortages result in long waits as well?

[Kathianne]

The shortages are generally in rural areas and parts of the country experiencing population explosions due to economic growth. Facilities are not equipped to handle sudden increases in demande......Calgary is a good example.

Personally, I've never waited long for ANY service, including sergury. Nor do I know of anyone who has.

Quality of healthcare differs greatly per region, so I'm not denying there are long waits in certain regions, for certain things, because there is. I don't think this is a Canadian thing or something directly related to socialzed healthcare since healthcare professionals tend to stay where the money is and it doesn't tend to be in poor isolated areas.


One other thing I would like to point out. Prior to 2002 (as someone quoted), some areas in the US were facing shortages of healthcare workers, paying large amounts for our professionals to cross the boarder. Why would there be a shortage of healthcare professionals in a mostly private system? Would shortages result in long waits as well?

2 factors figure into shortages in the US: high risk specialties due to insurance rates/malpractice suits. Rural populations-just as you said.

[Said1]

2 factors figure into shortages in the US: high risk specialties due to insurance rates/malpractice suits. Rural populations-just as you said.

I think we'll wind up with a two tier system, eventually. I like a lot of changes I've seen recently, but with the government, efficiency leads to cut backs. Their motto should be 'if it works, break it'.

[Said1]

What good is universal/socialized healthcare if you cant get in to see your doctor or get the services you need




Yes as a matter of fact I have. In fact I have worked in them for years have you???




Your soo cute with your ideas of how I THINK and VIEW the WORLD!!!
Its not a LITERAL LINE YOU MORON. They wait for weeks for services that we take for granted and recieve same day or next day.

Want to talk about how frustrating it is "debating" someone who is obviously mentaly challenged

I'll assume you get your information from reliable sources, but how do you account for the quality care I've always received.........just lucky?

I'll give you a fewexamples: I waited 1 1/2 in the emergency room the last time I was there with a gum infection at 6am one Sunday morning, in May.

The longest I've ever waited was 3hrs, the ER was full (and I mean FULL) and I had a good sized sliver in my knee ( it was REALLY deep and it was more like a chunck than a sliver....REALLY! ). Not really a line up, but pretty close, I guess.



One time I didn't even have to wait.

The longest I've ever waited to see my physician was 3 wks, for a physical. This was due impart to not wanting to take time off work if I didn't have to (I was working part-time shift work).

The longest I waited for surgery was 1 month. The reason it took so long was due to the fact that the infection I had in my eye was so severe and difficult to clear up. This had nothing to do with the quality of care I was given, it was due to an aggressive eye infection that was difficult to control.
I will mention waiting several hours to see the eye disease specialists at the eye clinic, though.

Now, if you go to Geat Bear Lake, that's another story.

If you go to an area that has recently had 1000's of people flooding into the city almost over night, that's another story as well.

Like I said, healthcare varies per region, but your examples of long line ups etc do not apply to the entire population, that's a gross generalization.


How would you compair rural vs urban healthcare where you are?

[MtnBiker]

It's seen as a right here and taxpayers are more than happy to pay for it for everyone.

Cultural differences no doubt.

You speak for all taxpayers in your country?

What is seen as a right there does not make a legal right here.

[glockmail]

It's seen as a right here and taxpayers are more than happy to pay for it for everyone.

Cultural differences no doubt.

I'm sure everything over there is just hunky-dorey. So you have no respect for our culture then.

[glockmail]

You speak for all taxpayers in your country?

What is seen as a right there does not make a legal right here.

No shit we Americans have our way and everyone else can take the highway. We turned European politics on its head in 1776 and we ain't stopping anytime soon, as least as far as we red bloods are concerned.